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Posted on 09-18-07 02:14:23 AM Link | Quote
I don't know why companies bother to protect their music CDs (etc) so much, seeing as how people will get around the protection anyway; usually within a week of it being released. All it does is waste money on their end and raise the cost on our end.

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Posted on 09-18-07 02:20:35 AM Link | Quote
Simplicity v1.1
Anyone else thinking the ep of Futurama where Fry has dreams about that one pair of underwear and ends up getting 4 billion dollars from the 92 cents he had in the bank from 1000 years ago?

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Posted on 09-18-07 02:22:20 AM Link | Quote
No.

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Posted on 09-18-07 02:24:15 AM; last edit by KittyKev on 09-18-07 02:24 AM Link | Quote
No.

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Posted on 09-18-07 02:36:30 AM; last edit by HyperHacker on 09-18-07 02:37 AM Link | Quote
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What I love most about CD and DVD protection is that it's ultimately futile. They have to have the data in a standard format that players can read. All they can do is try to stop "unauthorized" software from being able to read it, which they can only do by either running other software to interfere, or exploiting bugs in the way that software reads the disc. The former is defeated by configuring your system to not run it (or using another OS), and the latter by using a properly-designed program that emulates the behaviour of a standalone device. Once both of these are done, no protection can be effective in the slightest, at least not without preventing use by legit players. (Nevermind that these protections frequently break legit software players. )

Recent DVD protections have been mildly effective simply because many DVD copiers are poorly/lazily designed. For example, they'll lay it out so that a standalone player will never read certain sectors, and then corrupt them, so a program that tries to just copy the whole disc will fail. Or they'll corrupt the filesystem, for example using multiple files with the same name, to confuse programs that rely on it (standalone DVD players don't). This has had some success, but retains the same two problems: Breaks legit software, and doesn't work against copiers that do things the same way as a real player.

The only other DVD protection I know of that "works" is, AFAIK, a system that confuses programs that try to automatically follow the menus. They'll use invalid menu entries, or circular references (menu 1, item A opens menu 2, menu 2 item B opens menu 1), and simply set it up so that people won't select these options, for example by hiding them amongst the background. But again, well-designed copiers will realize they're caught in a loop or following an invalid option, and just not follow it.

AACS is more effective than CSS (DVD encryption), because the encryption is more advanced. But it's still just an encryption, and players still have to be able to decrypt it. The one big difference is that they can lock out certain players, so if you get the keys from one they can just not allow that specific player to play future discs (and presumably, a firmware update will - if possible - fix the hole that allowed it and update the keys so that it can be used again). But this just means a bit more work has to be done to get working keys.
Ironically, a stronger protection can only serve to help piracy. If your average Joe wants to copy a disc, and he can simply put it in his computer and hit Copy, then he'll probably do so. Now, you can make a protection that prevents this scenario, sure. But people will still find a way around it. Now, when Joe finds he can't copy the movie himself, he's likely to turn to P2P and see if he can simply grab someone else's copy. (Sure, this is illegal, but under the DMCA, so is copying it yourself. ) Now while he's there grabbing a copy of his Spiderpig 3 disc, he's going to notice there are also copies of 0x12C, The Quick And The Angry: Osaka Drift, etc. I don't think I need to explain this any further.

Originally posted by Ranko
Anyone else thinking the ep of Futurama where Fry has dreams about that one pair of underwear and ends up getting 4 billion dollars from the 92 cents he had in the bank from 1000 years ago?
Nope. I do wonder when ads will begin appearing in our dreams though.

(Warning: This post contains excessive use of "and" and "but" as sentence starters and puns on movie titles. Grammar nazis and those who aren't fond of puns should proceed with caution.)

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Posted on 09-19-07 04:19:35 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
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I wonder about muting my TV commercials. *Yawns*
I use them as a chance to go take a leak or get a snack, or I just mute them and do something else while periodically glancing back at the screen. I guess that makes me a criminal. See also: if I were in the US, I'd already be a criminal, because I've copied "protected" CDs to my hard drive, and taken screenshots of DVD movies. (Even though in one case, the "protection" mentioned on the label didn't seem to actually exist. I wonder if that means just by playing the disc normally, I've circumvented the protection - without even trying - and thus violated the DMCA? )
Also, I think hacking my DVD players to be region-free (even though in one case I just used a backdoor left in by the developers ) is another violation. Whee!

(Also, the Google ads are working well for once - popup blockers, something about TV commercials, advertising, and Internet access control/"blocking software". I still don't want to buy any of those things though. )


IHooray for Canada's non-existant copyright laws =D

Also, my Google ADs were for Halo 2, and genital herpes info.

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Posted on 09-19-07 05:40:19 AM Link | Quote
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Yes, lack of DMCA is another reason Canada is awesome.

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Posted on 09-20-07 04:15:34 AM Link | Quote


"...security firm PGP Corp. discontinued an ad-blocking program called Internet Fast Forward because its creator said he had been threatened with copyright lawsuits for modifying publishers' pages without their permission."

If you give something away for free, it isn't yours anymore. So, you don't have any say on what anyone does with it beyond copyright laws. If someone doesn't like the ads, they can remove them from their copy. They're not modifying your copy without your permission or selling theirs for profit or claiming it as theirs, so you don't have a case.

Go ahead, give me any argument from these companies. I'd be glad to blast it to pieces.


O Canada,...

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Posted on 09-20-07 07:32:06 PM; last edit by HyperHacker on 09-20-07 07:33 PM Link | Quote
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Yeah, I found that one funny too. You're violating copyright by editing your local copy of the page in cache? Even better for blockers that don't modify the page source, such as AdBlock. You're just changing how your browser renders the page and interprets the scripts. By that logic, changing the font size would be illegal too.

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Posted on 09-20-07 08:12:22 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by tyty210
Hooray for Canada's non-existent copyright laws =D


Hooray?

Rune is trash. He doesn't deserve the luxury of non existent copyright law. >:^{
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Posted on 09-20-07 09:47:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hectamatatortron
Rune is trash. He doesn't deserve the luxury of non existent copyright law. >:^{
? What's wrong with Rune?

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Posted on 09-20-07 10:24:35 PM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by KittyKev
? What's wrong with Rune?
Long story short, he's a thief.

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Posted on 09-20-07 10:35:15 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Originally posted by KittyKev
? What's wrong with Rune?
Long story short, he's a thief.
That tells me nothing. Long story long please.

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Posted on 09-21-07 12:34:15 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by KittyKev
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Originally posted by KittyKev
? What's wrong with Rune?
Long story short, he's a thief.
That tells me nothing. Long story long please.


Long story less short, he plagiarizes programs people have written by posting them all over his site without permission. Then he deigns to keep them there after they are requested to be removed, and subsequently talks trash to the authors of the programs.

So yeah. Trash, thief. Simple and accurate descriptions of him.

I'm surprised it's legal for him to breathe.
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Posted on 09-21-07 02:22:57 AM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Hectamatatortron
Long story less short, he plagiarizes programs people have written by posting them all over his site without permission. Then he deigns to keep them there after they are requested to be removed, and subsequently talks trash to the authors of the programs.
You forgot to mention he does this with codes as well.

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Posted on 09-21-07 05:51:57 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
You forgot to mention he does this with codes as well.


Almost all of the programs I've written ARE codes . I was using "programs" as a more encompassing term.
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