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Posted on 08-13-10 02:24:47 PM (last edited by Orlandu at 08-13-10 11:25 AM)

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	Originally posted by Metal_Man88 There is a solution, and it is called "Investing in the infrastructure" You mean spending money to make things better the our customers instead of spending it so we can make more money? Terrible, terrible idea. ____________________

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Posted on 08-13-10 06:12:29 PM

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Google has something to say about all this.

Anyway, the way Google's EULAs are done,
they already own all of your google docs and webbrowsing done with Chrome

they just don't do much of anything with it, if at all

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Posted on 08-13-10 08:06:15 PM (last edited by Metal_Man88 at 08-13-10 05:17 PM)

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Pffft. Their PR is paper thin. And if you don't want to take my word for it, there's this interesting piece which compares past Google with current Google's stance on this very problem.

With that in mind, we decided to partner with a major broadband provider on the best policy solution we could devise together.

And you're too stupid to realize Verizon is more interested in protecting their profits than their customers, Google?

FACT: If adopted, this proposal would for the first time give the FCC the ability to preserve the open Internet through enforceable rules on broadband providers.

So, that time they sued Comcast is meaningless, and the fact they have ideas of their own, also meaningless. Also, your thing only has a handful of 'enforceable' rules and a lot of loopholes. It's a paper-thin shield at best.

Verizon has agreed to voluntarily abide by these same requirements going forward – another first for a major communications provider. We hope this action will convince other broadband companies to follow suit.

You think AT&T and other rather nefarious ISPs are going to let Verizon tell them what to do? Are you nuts?

However, in the spirit of compromise, we have agreed to a proposal that allows this market to remain free from regulation for now, while Congress keeps a watchful eye.

Why?

Stop right there; your self-interest in wireless means you shouldn't be allowed to set the rules for it, or in this case, loophole it entirely so you can do what you want.

MYTH: This proposal will allow broadband providers to “cannibalize” the public Internet.

FACT: Another aspect of the joint proposal would allow broadband providers to offer certain specialized services to customers,

So you confirm the 'myth' with your 'fact' and then try to whitewash it into looking like it's a good thing. I'm not that stupid, Google.

MYTH: Google is working with Verizon on this because of Android.

FACT: This is a policy proposal – not a business deal. Of course, Google has a close business relationship with Verizon, but ultimately this proposal has nothing to do with Android.

OBJECTION! The Android is a wireless device. The new proposal exempts wireless devices. Therefore, even if you're not using it for evil, it still has plenty to do with Android!

MYTH: Two corporations legislating the future of the Internet.

FACT: Our two companies are proposing a legislative framework to the Congress for its consideration.

Actually I'd agree this one's a myth, since half the Congress is owned by far more than TWO corporations. Your consideration will probably be mutated by the whims of multiple other companies (with their personal representatives going to fight for them rather than the states they represent) and then sort of like the health care bill, some sort of watered down zombie bill will be passed that will protect Net Neutrality... in name only.

If this is the best spin they can do, they may as well admit it. Heck, you don't need me to say it now, just read those things and you tell me if, after reading all those specific denials and obvious loopholes, that they aren't hiding something.

The something doesn't even have to be bad, necessarily. It's just quite clear they want to hide their aces while trying to lie away the controversy.

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Posted on 08-15-10 02:55:53 AM (last edited by HyperHacker at 08-14-10 11:58 PM)

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08-14-10 09:55:53 PM
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Originally posted by Metal_Man88
and if it gets really bad, even go with what Hyperhacker said.

...there's really no reason not to start using Freenet right now. Build it up while we can (the more users it gets, the better it works) so it's there when we need it. And in the meantime enjoy using it for whatever.

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Originally posted by HyperHacker
Think of the idiotic package deals TV has now and apply that to the web. Want to use Google? That's $15/month. Facebook? That's another 5. Jul? Never heard of it. Also be sure to check out the news package, that comes with that one news site you actually read plus 35 others you'll never use, for only $25/month.

Its not really saying you would have to pay per website. It would be more like an express lane through a toll booth. They're saying you would have a public network and a private or premium network. The public network would be for your typical web browsing, but the private/premium would be for streaming media, video games, medical information traffic, etc. Basically you can pay your $30 month for web browsing and email, etc. But if you want to play World of Warcraft or watch live broadcasts or for hospitals to transmit data, you would have to pay that extra fee to access the private/premium network.

How is this different from what I said? You have the free stuff and the "premium" stuff. From there, with the current unencrypted infrastructure it's piss-easy to split "premium" into various "packages", each giving access to certain websites - just like cable TV has.
(Anyone remember when the idea behind cable TV was you pay for the service, and it comes with all the channels, with no ads? Look how that turned out.)

"Express lane" and "toll booth" are completely different ideas - faster routes to the same place. We already have that. ISPs sell different connection speeds at different rates. The change would be paying to access certain content. Really, the Internet doesn't compare well to a highway.

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Posted on 08-15-10 03:20:46 PM

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Sure it does. It's like toll booths, except the stores have to bribe the people who control the roads to let you drive to their place.

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Posted on 08-15-10 09:50:21 PM

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Google's own employees are protesting this. Things are getting very interesting...

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Posted on 08-17-10 01:17:40 AM

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Yyyeaaaah, maybe at first I was one of the loud people, but at this rate people within Google are against this. It's getting kind of hard to claim it's hysterics over nothing at this rate.

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Posted on 08-17-10 08:33:00 PM

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AT&T backs the Google's plan

then it has to be evil

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Posted on 08-18-10 03:04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Orlandu
Its not really saying you would have to pay per website. It would be more like an express lane through a toll booth.

Except they could easily make anything other than Facebook/Youtube/Email/CNN run at dialup speeds, essentially censoring any content that they aren't getting paid extra for.

They're looking for an excuse to cut service, not a way to improve it. This is obvious.

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Posted on 08-19-10 09:25:24 PM

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Yeah. It's not an express lane, so much as it is a series of private roads (each with their own costs and separate rules) replacing an open publically drivable system.

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Posted on 09-07-10 12:20:35 AM

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Wacky Ads in Time Square Attack Google

Uh... maybe they could be a bit more subtle?

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Posted on 09-08-10 05:53:09 PM

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I'm not completely certain about why this is a bad thing. Could somebody explain?

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