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Originally posted by paulguy
Well, it seems they're doing it partially right, in offering a free cover for the antenna. Would be nice if they actually fix the problem (and not just the silly software "fix" that just exaggerates signal strength readings), but it's not like you can expect THAT much from them.
I liked how they actually made the bars bigger.
Classic Apple 101.
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| Posted on 07-19-10 05:23:37 PM (last edited by Orlandu at 07-19-10 02:24 PM) |
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| | Metal_Man88's Post | Quite simple. Now that Apple has gotten big, it begins to exhibit Microsoft-like tendencies, like ignoring massive problems and just giving out insufficient solutions for them, while blaming consumers where possible.
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 This isn't ignoring a problem or giving out weak solutions, that's not Apple's style. This is outright deceiving the users to make them think their product is better than it really is. They do it all the time.
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| Posted on 07-20-10 03:51:46 PM (last edited by Bagel at 07-20-10 12:55 PM) |
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Originally posted by Peardian
This isn't ignoring a problem or giving out weak solutions, that's not Apple's style. This is outright deceiving the users to make them think their product is better than it really is. They do it all the time.
If there is anything Apple is guilty of, it's overconfidence. No one is deliberately trying to deceive anyone here -- anyone can make an honest mistake.
It's retarded how everyone jumps to a conclusion: "THEY'RE TRYING TO RIP ME OFF!!!" Seriously, everyone -- stop being such a pessimist and assuming the worst about every company that exists. Some of these companies are genuinely trying to produce a good product. (The ones that *aren't* trying slowly die off instead of showing profit.) You try managing a company employing thousands of people sometime (or just the IT infrastructure of a single location) -- there are problems all the time and there's no way to solve 100% of them, especially when you've got deadlines to meet.
So what if the iPhone 4 has antenna problems? The world doesn't appear to have ended. Buy a phone from someone else, then. IT'S A PHONE.
Oh, and "Apple's style" is actually pretty much to build the best things they can ... that also look good. They have a reputation to keep up and so they charge more. Having owned several Apple products, and having had an excellent experience with all of them compared to the competition, I can say that the premium is absolutely worth it. No reality distortion field influence here.
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You say releasing a patch that exaggerates the signal strength bars as a "fix" is not deceptive? What is it, then? 
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| Posted on 07-20-10 04:04:12 PM (last edited by Bagel at 07-20-10 01:16 PM) |
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The patch is supposed to fix the signal exaggeration.
Here's a better chart of the signal rescaling
The problem in the code had been around since forever. It wasn't noticed until this whole ridiculous "Antennagate" fiasco.
Coding problems aren't put there on purpose. If someone messed up the code, then fix it or fire them or do whatever it takes to solve the problem. It's far more likely that it was a simple slip-up that didn't have any negative consequences until the iPhone 4 came along.
It's not like they PLANNED to have a flaw in the software. How does that benefit Apple at all?
Apple's already got a ton of publicity; they don't need any more. When you're a huge brand name, every mistake you make is magnified and every strength is belittled (for another recent example, see Toyota) -- and that's all this is. There's no conspiracy here.
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Making the bars taller is indeed deceptive. Starting your browser's progress bars at 10% full is also deceptive.
Apple is primarily concerned with their image. They've amassed their popularity and profits almost entirely because of how they market themselves as a "different" and "hip" lifestyle brand. Obviously, they can't let a serious problem like this go for very long without some kind of "fix", even if it's cosmetic until they can come up with a better solution.
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I don't know about the rest of the world, but this wouldn't be a problem for me.
When texting, I rotate the phone on it's side so I can make use of the keyboard. When calling, I hold it with my fingertips. I'd never get this reception problem.
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In the Q&A session following the press conference last week, the rumors of the engineer warning Jobs of the antenna problems, well.
Q: Were you warned about this issue?
A: Steve Jobs: I assume you're talking about the Bloomberg article. It's a crock. I've challenged them to prove it. I've talked to Ruben [the antenna engineer who supposedly warned Jobs during the design process] and he agrees it's bullshit.
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Having a hardware problem, claiming it will be fixed by a software update, and that update doing nothing but changing how the bars work does not, in fact, at any point, make for anything but another deceptive failure by el Apple, Inc.
it is the equivalent of a driver update for a broken graphics card making it put out a fake desktop with "EVERYTHING IS OK. NOTHING IS WRONG." on top of it.
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| Posted on 07-20-10 04:37:15 PM (last edited by Bagel at 07-20-10 01:39 PM) |
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Yeah, yeah ... I know you guys in general don't like Apple (or large corporations in general.) I'm done basically since there's really no winning against that kind of thing. I'm not trying to get you to like them, I'm just ... I dunno.
I guess the reason this set me off is that I've spent my entire morning under attack by users ticked off that I had to kick them offline/off the network while reconfiguring a bunch of ethernet hubs and I have heard quite enough bitching and things being blown out of proportion for one day.
My main point is that I am just sick of people assuming CONSPIRACY when there's been a mistake made and a not-entirely-adequate-for-everyone solution/coverup given. Sometimes things really are as simple as they look at face value.
As for the Q&A session, transcripts have been posted all over the internet since well ... it was an Apple press conference.
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Call it what you want, but it's still a fact. Apple released a software update, said it was going to "fix the issue", and all it did was tweak the bar appearance.
Irrational Apple hate? No. They lied about it, tried to cover it up, insulted their users ("holding it wrong", etc) and then shit on everybody with more bullshit.
It's not an anti-Apple thing. They just fucked up.
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