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Posted on 07-07-10 06:22:31 PM Link | Quote
Hawaii Governor Vetoes civil unions bill

And we still can't get civil unions in such a blue state ... How I hope we win in the SCOTUS otherwise progress will come extremely slowly to most of the nation.
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Posted on 07-07-10 08:14:27 PM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Zero One
Originally posted by Kit
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I'm a 16 year old male. It's genetic.


Hi.


Uh, hi?


Kit is also a 16 year old male.

:p

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Posted on 07-07-10 10:56:33 PM Link | Quote
An Italian blog pointed out something interesting in this photo of the Westboro Baptist Church:



Yeah, her shirt says "Twilight". Isn't that ironic in some way? I mean, you'd think that that movie isn't (those movies aren't) something they would agree with (love triangle, vampires and werewolves ... ) considering their extremism...
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Posted on 07-08-10 10:32:41 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal_Man88
Originally posted by Zero One
Originally posted by Kit
Originally posted by Zero One
I'm a 16 year old male. It's genetic.


Hi.


Uh, hi?


Kit is also a 16 year old male.

:p


I found that out about 5 seconds after posting

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Posted on 07-08-10 08:23:11 PM (last edited by FieryIce at 07-08-10 05:23 PM) Link | Quote
Holy crap: Down with DOMA!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jZVhxGXCMRA-mJB4JYXiICP3a6jQD9GR3OL01


BOSTON — A U.S. judge in Boston has ruled that a federal gay marriage ban is unconstitutional because it interferes with the right of a state to define marriage.

U.S. District Judge Joseph Tauro on Thursday ruled in favor of gay couples' rights in two separate challenges to the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act.

The state had argued the law denied benefits such as Medicaid to gay married couples in Massachusetts, where same-sex unions have been legal since 2004.

Tauro agreed, and said the act forces Massachusetts to discriminate against its own citizens.

The Justice Department argued the federal government has the right to set eligibility requirements for federal benefits — including requiring that those benefits only go to couples in marriages between a man and a woman.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

BOSTON (AP) — A U.S. judge in Boston has ruled that a federal gay marriage ban is unconstitutional because it interferes with the right a state to define marriage.

U.S. District Judge Joseph Tauro on Thursday ruled in favor of gay couples' rights in two separate challenges to the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act.

The state had argued the law denied benefits such as Medicaid to gay married couples in Massachusetts, where same-sex unions have been legal since 2004.

Tauro agreed, and said the act forces Massachusetts to discriminate against its own citizens.

The Justice Department argued the federal government has the right to set eligibility requirements for federal benefits — including requiring that those benefits only go to couples in marriages between a man and a woman.


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Posted on 07-08-10 10:58:18 PM Link | Quote
Awesome... this is a huge, HUGE step forward for the LGBT community =D

Today has been one of the happiest days of my life when I heard about the news during break...

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Posted on 07-09-10 02:30:19 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Schala
Awesome... this is a huge, HUGE step forward for the LGBT community...


... in america This is nothing short of old news for gay couples in europe

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Posted on 07-09-10 12:50:02 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kit
Originally posted by Schala
Awesome... this is a huge, HUGE step forward for the LGBT community...


... in america This is nothing short of old news for gay couples in europe


Yeah, sadly. I think that even Mexico's federal government recognizes Mexico City's gay marriages.
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Posted on 07-09-10 08:44:37 PM Link | Quote
Martha Coakley in the Rachel Maddow show on yesterday's surprising ruling:

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Posted on 07-10-10 07:41:35 PM (last edited by FieryIce at 07-10-10 04:47 PM) Link | Quote
http://www.scribd.com/doc/34132280/Doc-700

Our lawyers (Olson and Boies for the plaintiffs) are now sending a huge letter to Walker bringing the judge's attention to the ruling on the two cases against the Federal Government's DOMA.

Those guys are impressive, I'll look around to posting it here but that could take a while of reformatting - stupid Scribd documents

Edit, here it is:


The Honorable Vaughn R. Walker
Chief Judge of the United States District Court
for the Northern District of California
450 Golden Gate Avenue
San Francisco, California 94102

Re: Perry v. Schwarzenegger, Case No. C-09-2292 VRW

Dear Chief Judge Walker:

I write on behalf of Plaintiffs and Plaintiff-Intervenor to bring to the Court’s attention
yesterday’s decisions in Gill v. Office of Personnel Management, No. 1:09-cv-10309-JLT (D. Mass. July 8, 2010) (Tauro, J.) (attached hereto as Exhibit A) and Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. Department of Health and Human Services, No. 1:09-cv-11156-JLT (D. Mass. July 8, 2010) (Tauro, J.) (attached hereto as Exhibit B). Gill holds that the federal Defense of Marriage Act (“DOMA”) violates equal protection because it is not rationally related to a single legitimate governmental purpose.Explaining that the rational basis test “demands somereasonable relation between the classification in question and the purpose it purportedly serves,”Gill, slip op. at 37, the court dismantled each and every justification proffered for DOMA.In so doing, the court considered and rejected many of the same irrational justifications asserted by Proponents in defense of Proposition 8. Gill flatly rejected the alleged interest in “responsible procreation,” explaining that “a consensus has developed among the medical, psychological, and social welfare communities that children raised by gay and lesbian parents are just as likely to be well-adjusted as
those raised by heterosexual parents.”Id. at 23-24.In any event, “a desire to encourage heterosexual couples to procreate and rear their own children more responsibly would not provide a rational basis for denying federal recognition to same-sex marriages” but, rather, would serve only to harm the children of same-sex couples.Id. at 24.And “the ability to procreate is not now, nor has it ever been, a precondition to marriage in any state in the
country.”Id. at 25. The court also dismissed the “asserted interest in defending and nurturing heterosexual
marriage”:“[T]his court cannot discern a means by which the federal government’s denial of benefits to same-sex spouses might encourage homosexual people to marry members of the opposite sex.And denying marriage-based benefits to same-sex spouses certainly bears no reasonable relation to any interest the government might have in making heterosexual marriages more secure.”Id. In addition,Gill held that Congress could not “deny recognition to same-sex marriages in order to make heterosexual marriage appear more valuable or desirable” because doing so would inflict significant harm on same-sex couples, and “a bare congressional desire to harm a politically unpopular group” is not a legitimate government interest.Id. at 25-26 (quoting U.S. Dep’t of Agric. v. Moreno, 413 U.S. 528, 534 (1973)). The court also held that DOMA may not be sustained “by reference to the objective of defending traditional notions of morality”—an objective that was categorically rejected in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003). Gill, slip op. at 26. Likewise,Gill rejected the government’s argument that it was rational for Congress to
preserve the “status quo”:“[T]his court seriously questions whether it may even consider preservation of the status quo to be an ‘interest’ independent of some legitimate governmental objective that preservation of the status quo might help to achieve.Staying the course is not an end in and of itself, but rather a means to an end.”Id. at 32-33.The court also dismissed as an “utterly unpersuasive excuse” the government’s purported interest in
lessening the “administrative burden” that would result from recognizing same-sex
marriages.Id. at 35-36.
Because “the proffered rationales for [DOMA] are clearly and manifestly implausible,” the court explained, “animus is the only explicable basis.”Id. at 37 (internal quotation marks omitted).And because “animus alone cannot constitute a legitimate government interest,” “DOMA lacks a rational basis to support it” and violates equal protection.Id. (internal quotation marks omitted).

In a separate decision addressing the Commonwealth of Massachusetts’s claim that DOMA violated the Tenth Amendment and the Spending Clause, the court also concluded that, by forcing Massachusetts to enforce DOMA, the federal government would be requiring Massachusetts to violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Commonwealth of Mass., slip op. at 27. The companion decisions inGill and Commonwealth of Massachusetts thus provide further, compelling support for Plaintiffs’ and Plaintiff-Intervenor’s claim that Proposition 8 violates equal protection because none of the unfounded rationales asserted by Proponents in
justification of Proposition 8 can sustain this discriminatory law.

Respectfully submitted,

/s/ Theodore B. Olson
Theodore B. Olson
Counsel for Plaintiffs
TBO/eam
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Posted on 07-10-10 07:59:36 PM Link | Quote
You know, posting those letters without a summary is kinda pointless, I have a hard time understanding just about anything of what they say, I don't even know if it's positive or not. :/

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Posted on 07-11-10 02:44:21 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Lunaria
You know, posting those letters without a summary is kinda pointless, I have a hard time understanding just about anything of what they say, I don't even know if it's positive or not. :/


The last two letters I posted about the plaintiffs are mostly the lawyers (Olson and Boies) telling the judge that whatever case just ended (DOMA / the student group v. university) provided a ruling that's positive for the plaintiffs (pro-gay marriage side) and could actually help our case against Proposition 8.

The rest of the letter is just explaining the "how" of the bolded part above ^^
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Posted on 07-17-10 03:14:29 PM Link | Quote
To those that didn't really follow the trial that well, this video summarizes it in two minutes:

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Posted on 08-03-10 10:54:13 PM (last edited by FieryIce at 08-03-10 08:00 PM) Link | Quote
The Time Has Arrived!


https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/09cv2292/


August 3, 2010

ANNOUNCEMENT

On August 4, 2010, the court will issue its written order containing findings of fact and conclusions of law following the court trial held in January and June of this year. The order will be e-filed in the court's Electronic Case Filing system, and will be immediately available thereafter through ECF and PACER. There will be no court proceeding associated with the publication of the order.


This is it folks. Tomorrow, is it. Stay alert!!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/08/03/BAF11EODM9.DTL
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Posted on 08-04-10 06:26:45 AM Link | Quote
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Posted on 08-04-10 10:14:51 AM Link | Quote
According to the Prop 8 Trial Tracker, the decision is going to be announced sometime between 1 and 3 PM PST, which is 4 and 6 PM EST.

They also have a nice little review of what to expect.

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Posted on 08-04-10 01:23:22 PM Link | Quote


Judge: “I’m asking you to tell me how [marriage equality] would harm opposite-sex marriages….”

Pro-Proposition 8 Attorney Cooper: “Your Honor, my answer is: I don’t know. I don’t know.”



There's so much evidence favoring our side ... I can only hope Walker will name us a suspect class.

The Trial Tracker has another article on it.
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Posted on 08-04-10 03:59:23 PM Link | Quote
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Posted on 08-04-10 04:20:37 PM Link | Quote
I'm wondering how the verdict will affect Brian Brown's little monkey tour.


In case you haven't been following it, NOM has been putting on a "One Man, One Woman" tour through 20 states in a bus decorated with stock photos to try and spread their narrowminded vision. So far, every stop along the way they've only managed to draw in a meager crowd of cranky white old people, while also being greeted by 3-8 times the amount of pro-equality counter-protesters, touting smiles and signs of love. Needless to say, it's quite embarassing (and amusing), but they keep trying to spin it their way. They've even tried pulling the "victim" card, to no avail. Their latest stop was Iowa, where same-sex marriage is already legal. Yeah, lot of good you're going to do there, Mr. Brown.

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Well, the people on the wrong side of history usually make fools of themselves by trying to pretend they can stop progress. These people are clearly no exception.

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