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Posted on 06-13-10 10:12:59 AM Link | Quote
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KABUL - Pakistani military intelligence not only funds and trains Taliban fighters in Afghanistan but is officially represented on the movement's leadership council, giving in significant influence over operations, a report released on Sunday said.

The report, published by the London School of Economics, a leading British institution, on Sunday, said research strongly suggested support for the Taliban was the "official policy" of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI).

Although links between the ISI and Islamist militants have been widely suspected for a long time, the report's findings, which it said were corroborated by two senior Western security officials, could raise more concerns in the West over Pakistan's commitment to help end the war in Afghanistan.

The report also said Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari was reported to have visited senior Taliban prisoners in Pakistan earlier this year, where he is believed to have promised their release and help for militant operations, suggesting support for the Taliban "is approved at the highest level of Pakistan's civilian government."

A Pakistani diplomatic source described that report as "naive," and also said any talks with the Taliban were up to the Afghan government.

"Pakistan appears to be playing a double-game of astonishing magnitude," said the report, based on interviews with Taliban commanders and former senior Taliban ministers as well as Western and Afghan security officials.

'Duplicity'
In March 2009, Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, and General David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command, said they had indications elements in the ISI supported the Taliban and al-Qaida and said the agency must end such activities.

Nevertheless, senior Western officials have been reluctant to talk publicly on the subject for fear of damaging possible cooperation from Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state Washington has propped up with billions of dollars in military and economic aid.

"The Pakistan government's apparent duplicity — and awareness of it among the American public and political establishment — could have enormous geo-political implications," said the report's author, Matt Waldman, a fellow at Harvard University.

"Without a change in Pakistani behavior it will be difficult if not impossible for international forces and the Afghan government to make progress against the insurgency," Waldman said in the report.

The report comes at the end of one of the bloodiest weeks for foreign troops in Afghanistan — more than 21 have been killed this week — and at a time when the insurgency is at its most violent.

More than 1,800 foreign troops, including some 1,100 Americans, have died in Afghanistan since U.S.-backed Afghan forces overthrew the Taliban in late 2001. The war has already cost the United States around $300 billion and now costs more than $70 billion a year, the report said, citing 2009 U.S. Congressional research figures.

Violent regions
The report said interviews with Taliban commanders in some of the most violent regions in Afghanistan "suggest that Pakistan continues to give extensive support to the insurgency in terms of funding, munitions and supplies."

"These accounts were corroborated by former Taliban ministers, a Western analyst and a senior U.N. official based in Kabul, who said the Taliban largely depend on funding from the ISI and groups in Gulf countries," the report said.

Almost all of the Taliban commanders interviewed in the report also believed the ISI was represented on the Quetta Shura, the Taliban's supreme leadership council based in Pakistan.

"Interviews strongly suggest that the ISI has representatives on the (Quetta) Shura, either as participants or observers, and the agency is thus involved at the highest level of the movement," the report said.

The report also stated that Pakistani President Zardari, along with a senior ISI official, allegedly visited some 50 senior Taliban prisoners at a secret location in Pakistan where he told them they had been arrested only because he was under pressure from the United States.

"(This) suggests that the policy is approved at the highest level of Pakistan's civilian government," the report said.

Afghanistan has also been highly critical of Pakistan's ISI involvement in the conflict in Afghanistan. Last week, the former director of Afghanistan's intelligence service, Amrullah Saleh, resigned saying he had become an obstacle to President Hamid Karzai's plans to negotiate with the insurgents.

In an exclusive interview with Reuters at his home a day after he resigned, Saleh said the ISI was "part of the landscape of destruction in this country."

"It will be a waste of time to provide evidence of ISI involvement. They are a part of it. The Pakistani army of which ISI is a part, they know where the Taliban leaders are — in their safe houses," he told Reuters.


So now what, are we going to end up invading Pakistan too? Ughh, that could be nasty. India might like that
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Posted on 06-13-10 03:17:17 PM Link | Quote
Just what we need, ANOTHER war. Is there any news on what North/South Korea are up to?

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Posted on 06-13-10 04:08:22 PM Link | Quote
Wow, that was unexpected... I wonder how much longer it will be before the inevitable nuclear holocaust at this point... =(

Some of you might be familiar with the Doomsday Clock, which indicates the number of minutes to "midnight" (that is, global nuclear war or a doomsday event). I wonder where it will be next year... =/

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Posted on 06-13-10 06:09:42 PM Link | Quote
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Wow, that was unexpected... I wonder how much longer it will be before the inevitable nuclear holocaust at this point... =(


Even the Taliban can probably guess that nuclear stuff would not work out.

The cold war is over; the serious threats of there being a total nuclear holocaust are gone. It's not impossible for one nuke to go off some day, buuut the whole MAD style world-destruction is pretty much out of the question.

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Posted on 06-14-10 05:19:49 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Metal_Man88
Originally posted by Schala
Wow, that was unexpected... I wonder how much longer it will be before the inevitable nuclear holocaust at this point... =(


Even the Taliban can probably guess that nuclear stuff would not work out.

The cold war is over; the serious threats of there being a total nuclear holocaust are gone. It's not impossible for one nuke to go off some day, buuut the whole MAD style world-destruction is pretty much out of the question.

Unless USA and Russia go apeshit on one another...

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Posted on 06-14-10 12:05:01 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ork Warboss of Crabbydeff
Originally posted by Metal_Man88
Originally posted by Schala
Wow, that was unexpected... I wonder how much longer it will be before the inevitable nuclear holocaust at this point... =(


Even the Taliban can probably guess that nuclear stuff would not work out.

The cold war is over; the serious threats of there being a total nuclear holocaust are gone. It's not impossible for one nuke to go off some day, buuut the whole MAD style world-destruction is pretty much out of the question.

Unless USA and Russia go apeshit on one another...


And that's not gonna happen, anybody that's been following international politics lately knows that Russia and the US have been collaborating really well lately. Things where ugly back in the Bush era but Obama has calmed relationships very well (even if it meant doing things such as cancelling a missile defense system in Europe)
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