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Orlandu


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Posted on 06-09-10 04:41:43 PM Link | Quote
Within 3 years, MSI later this year

Originally posted by tomshardware.com
According to an unnamed spokesperson for MSI, the motherboard manufacturer is making the shift over to point and click universal extensible firmware interface (UEFI) systems by Q4 2010/Q1 2011. The change is expected to become "widely adopted" within three years thereafter.


Its a step towards advancement. It'll be weird to access the motherboard via a GUI, though.

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Posted on 06-09-10 04:44:57 PM Link | Quote
The push to 3.1TB drives and beyond is the driving force to this. It's not really surprising that a move like this would come full-circle to all motherboard manufacturers.

Sounds like it'll still essentially be what a BIOS is, just an updated one.
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Posted on 06-09-10 06:58:31 PM (last edited by Bagel at 06-09-10 03:58 PM) Link | Quote
Basically yeah. Bigger disks, more built-in hardware features, and pretty substantially quicker boot times. The last is probably what will be most noticeable, but having low-level support for certain specific pieces of hardware, instead of asking the OS to handle it, is also a good thing. Not just basic things like fan control, either -- EFI could handle more than just a power-on password, for example -- it could use a voiceprint or a fingerprint or something, without needing to boot into an OS.

The only manufacturer that has really been shipping many EFI-based machines so far is Apple, and those have benefited from the change already mainly in boot time and disk capacity. Plus you can do neat (but probably pointless) things like boot OS X (or Linux) from an SD card.

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Posted on 06-09-10 07:33:58 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Bagel
Plus you can do neat (but probably pointless) things like boot OS X (or Linux) from an SD card.


LiveUSB instead of LiveCD?

I think that would be far from pointless.

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Posted on 06-09-10 07:37:18 PM Link | Quote
At last, the mainstay that has been with IBM PC compatible computers since 1981 is finally being replaced. But then again, Apple were the first to use EFI, IIRC... so they thought different as early as 2006. =)

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Posted on 06-10-10 12:35:11 AM Link | Quote
BIOS will finally rest, hooray.

But we will never be rid of the pain and suffering.

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Posted on 06-10-10 12:44:39 AM (last edited by krutomisi at 06-09-10 09:50 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Bagel
Plus you can do neat (but probably pointless) things like boot OS X (or Linux) from an SD card.

I already do that

with my BIOS


aka unetbootin  


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Posted on 06-10-10 01:09:22 AM Link | Quote
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My BIOS already supports that as well... but the new technology should help make booting up better.

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Posted on 06-10-10 01:14:15 AM Link | Quote
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Hm, somehow I'm not wild about the idea of adding such complexity as a GUI to a crucial system component, that A) should be doing its job as fast as possible and getting out of the way 99% of the time, and more importantly B) needs to be 100% reliable. Get some obscure bug in your BIOS/firmware and you're screwed, and from the quality I see out of so many manufacturers and developers these days...

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Posted on 06-10-10 01:16:00 AM (last edited by Darkdata at 06-09-10 10:56 PM) Link | Quote
And hey, bios viruses that were once practically impossible may become the norm! That would be just great.

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Posted on 06-10-10 01:24:01 AM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Darkdata
And hey, bios viruses that were once practically impossible may become the norm! That would be just great.

This is exactly what I was about to say.

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Posted on 06-10-10 01:45:37 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Drag
Originally posted by Darkdata
And hey, bios viruses that were once practically impossible may become the norm! That would be just great.

This is exactly what I was about to say.


Oh, DAMN.

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Posted on 06-10-10 02:50:19 PM Link | Quote
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Well, I would hope the EFI firmware is mostly read only outside of some flasher utility, as it is now.

Currently, my motherboard has a similar system called ExpressGate, but I don't think it can be used as a typical EFI for booting an OS. It has it's own Linux thing.

I think the best way to handle this would be to have a very minimal read only recovery ROM that loads the EFI firmware, or if you press a button or something, load in to a recovery flash utility to put a new firmware on if the existing one gets hosed somehow. As long as the recovery ROM has no bugs, it should be unbrickable...

The biggest thing I could see this helping with is pushing Windows to FINALLY just COMPLETELY ignore the BIOS. I know 7 mostly is unreliant on it, but I've had it get incorrect data from the BIOS in the past (where Linux was just fine, because it doesn't seem to really probe the BIOS for anything unless you tell it to.) and cause me some annoyance. I hope this also makes BIOS configuration menus a bit more usable, and a bit less Engrish. If it's more editable, we could be seeing better internationalization, I just hope they don't completely rely on the mouse.

ANOTHER thing that would be good is if given a large enough ROM (mine has 512MB but that'll probably be the exception, not the rule.) you could have a decent recovery linux with support for all kinds of filesystems, so people can actually, like, delete files in Windows out of the box before windows has a chance to load the virus and make the file unable to be deleted.

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Posted on 06-13-10 08:22:34 PM Link | Quote
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I would hope it's read-only, save perhaps for a few bytes of settings, unless a physical momentary pushbutton is pressed. But that would just make too much sense.

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Posted on 06-18-10 01:38:10 PM Link | Quote
It definitely is something to get used to. I won't see it until 2 years from now, if its completely implemented by then, when I need to upgrade my laptop. But I do like the look of it. I have always preferred GUI to command line.

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