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Posted on 06-05-10 07:27:54 PM Link | Quote
http://io9.com/5555072/saturns-moon-titan-is-probably-home-to-hydrogen-breathing-microbes


If life exists on Saturn's hydrogen- and methane-rich moon Titan, there will be two sure signs: hydrogen depletion near the lunar surface, and less acetylene than we'd expect. The Cassini probe has found both. So...could there be life on Titan?

Because Titan is so cold, it has lakes of methane and ethane where there would be lakes of liquid water on Earth. Still, the presence of such lakes at all suggests Titan is potentially complex enough to support some exotic form of life, and in 2005 two scientists theorized microbes could in fact live in these lakes if they were able to breathe hydrogen gas and consume the organic hydrocarbon acetylene. This process is a bit like certain kinds of anaerobic respiration used by bacteria and microbes on Earth, which also use hydrogen in place of oxygen.

If such microbes did exist, then it's predicted that their consumption of hydrogen and acetylene would cause there to be less hydrogen than otherwise expected near the surface of the lakes, as well as almost no acetylene at all on Titan. NASA now reports that the Cassini spacecraft has now confirmed both of these predictions are true, which definitely opens up the possibility that Titan really is home to microbial life. The lack of acetylene is particularly intriguing, because ultraviolet rays bombarding the moon's atmosphere should trigger its near-constant production.

The hydrogen gas is also produced in the atmosphere by ultraviolet-induced chemical reactions. Once created, the hydrogen either flies off into space or sinks down to the surface. The problem is that the hydrogen isn't accumulating near the surface, which means some second chemical process is converting the gas into something else. One definite possibility is that microbes are using the gas for respiratory purposes, although scientists are quick to point out that's not the only candidate.

For instance, hydrogen and carbon could be coming together to form methane on Titan's surface, a process that would not require a biological agent. There certainly is plenty of methane, but the moon's temperature is seemingly too low for those sorts of chemical reactions to occur as quickly as they would have to in order to make all the hydrogen disappear.

As for the disappearing acetylene, it could be converting into benzene, a hydrocarbon that is quite plentiful on Titan's surface. Still, that explanation has the same problem - the acetylene is disappearing way too quickly for that to be the whole story, so either some of the acetylene is being used in respiration or there's some undiscovered catalyst that's speeding up the conversion process.

Ultimately, these signs are some of the most convincing indicators yet that there really is life elsewhere in the Solar System, although the only way to actually prove it either way will be to send something to the surface of Titan that can find some of these microbes. Until then, they will have to remain strictly hypothetical.


Too bad we're still so far behind that we've yet to send someone to Mars :/ Astronomy has always been my favorite science (well, if you don't count linguistics), then Physics and Chemistry
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Posted on 06-05-10 07:32:03 PM Link | Quote
Just think, by the time we're able to goto Titan, they may have evolved into something similar to us

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Wonder if these microbes can help clean up our own pollution problems that involve these harsh chemical agents.

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Posted on 06-06-10 03:08:11 AM Link | Quote

I remember watching a documentary about Jupiter's moons. And how it's very likely some of the moons having life due to it's very large gravitational pull pushing and pulling the planet back and forth. Also, all of the moons have an ocean underneath the crust. A very warm ocean.

I watch a lot of Discovery. It has me hooked man.

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Posted on 06-06-10 03:11:09 AM Link | Quote
Cool

I always thought it'd be awesome if we ever found extraterrestrial life, even if it's just microbes. Maybe someday, our scientists can study those lifeforms in depth and determine if their biochemistry is the same as ours.

I've heard that Europa, a moon of Jupiter, could have life in its ocean. I didn't know the other moons had those oceans though. (I assume you just mean the 4 Galilean moons, Bitmap, not all 50+ moons of Jupiter?)

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Posted on 06-06-10 03:14:19 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Terra


I've heard that Europa, a moon of Jupiter, could have life in its ocean. I didn't know the other moons had those oceans though. (I assume you just mean the 4 Galilean moons, Bitmap, not all 50+ moons of Jupiter?)


Well, I believe so. The documentary covered that and five other moons. So Perhaps when they covered two of the moons they might be micro moons. Half the size of our moon, yet bigger than the smaller moons.


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Posted on 06-06-10 03:32:48 AM Link | Quote
If there happens to be microbial life on a planet(or moon) as unhospitable as Titan, that certainly increases the odds of life elsewhere in the galaxy.


I'm really excited to see what else they learn.

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Posted on 06-06-10 03:48:05 AM Link | Quote

The discovery of life on other places besides Earth is going to be scientifically huge. The cost of that life would be priceless, like an art of a classic painting.

Even if it's a microorganism. It would be great enough to study and research it enough to how life can be formed and born into a world.

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Posted on 06-06-10 04:11:44 AM Link | Quote
A question many scientists would probably like to have the answer to is how similar the DNA to Earth microbes. Would life on other planets develop similar chemical makeups? How many ways are there to make life?


The most disappointing answer, I think (besides "nope no life") would be that the life on the planet was somehow the decendents of Earth microbes that defied the odds by making the journey through the solar system in their dormant state after being blasted off the planet by an asteroid or meteor. Let's hope that's not the case!

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Posted on 06-06-10 12:15:28 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Peardian
The most disappointing answer, I think (besides "nope no life") would be that the life on the planet was somehow the decendents of Earth microbes that defied the odds by making the journey through the solar system in their dormant state after being blasted off the planet by an asteroid or meteor. Let's hope that's not the case!


Wow, that would be almost as disappointing as there being no life ... Studying Titan life would help learn a lot of Titan's history and evolution on the moon ... I wonder how long until we can send a robot there to collect stuff?
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Posted on 06-06-10 12:19:01 PM Link | Quote
It's nice to know that there is the possibility of life on other planets. I mean, it has got to be a statistical impossibility that it was a fluke and we are the only ones to exist.

Still, I wonder if there are any sentient life-forms that are more advanced than us.

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Posted on 06-06-10 02:47:45 PM Link | Quote
Cool, at least we can determine if there's life on other planets and moons... but you have to remember there's always hypothetical alternative chemistries for life, like nitrogen, phosphorus, and (especially) silicon... =)

There's also the Gliese system about 20 light years away from Earth, with a couple of planets that could possibly have life (I think Gliese 581c and 581d...)

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Posted on 06-06-10 07:29:12 PM Link | Quote
I think that life was like the life in Earth millions (or more) of years ago.
that's interesting, but we will have to wait a lot before more info (i think).

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Posted on 06-07-10 02:32:47 AM Link | Quote
If there is life there, and if we discover it, I just hope we don't destroy it with our curiosity

I could see something like that happening. Who wouldn't want to get in on the biggest find mankind has ever made? Who wouldn't send out probes? Enough of them could unintentionally change the climate of the moon's surface/ ocean, or could cause some other sort of unforeseeable damage that would endanger the microbes' existence.

This is, of course, purely hypothetical. If there is life there, we might be able to study it responsibly and not disturb the habitat in a negative manner.

On a positive note, extraterrestrial life this close to us would be freaking awesome! It would be much more convenient to use this instead of some organism lightyears away to prove alien existence.

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Posted on 06-07-10 07:06:20 AM Link | Quote

I just hope that humans don't bring that life back to earth. Lord knows what kinda shit would happen. A single microorganism that is capiable of living in seriously harsh conditions out-class humans immensely.

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Originally posted by Bitmap
I just hope that humans don't bring that life back to earth. Lord knows what kinda shit would happen. A single microorganism that is capiable of living in seriously harsh conditions out-class humans immensely.


I don't think it would survive in Earth any longer than we would survive in Titan. If it can survive then that's one heck of a microbe
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I couldn't resist.

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