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Posted on 05-18-10 06:19:04 PM (last edited by Hiryuu at 05-18-10 03:21 PM) Link | Quote
...it's incompatible with DOS-XP. This is the first drive that signals the end of backwards compatibility for older systems.

Requires a new BIOS (UEFI) in order to run this. Anything DOS-era in terms of controllers or BIOS simply will not be able to run these. Not sure if you can run alignment utilities like the ones on Windows XP for Western Digital to make these run or not...but I'm doubting this is the case.

EDIT: Re-reading this, alignment won't work. As little as 1GB will show up upon plugging this drive into an XP system.
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Posted on 05-18-10 06:29:10 PM Link | Quote
Does it work on Linux operating systems, at least?

If not, I don't think it will sell particularly well. I could see this much storage space being used for servers, but those run Linux/Unix. Most home users don't need three terabytes.

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Posted on 05-18-10 06:31:51 PM (last edited by Hiryuu at 05-18-10 03:32 PM) Link | Quote
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Does it work on Linux operating systems, at least?

If not, I don't think it will sell particularly well. I could see this much storage space being used for servers, but those run Linux/Unix. Most home users don't need three terabytes.


Good question. I know NTFS's nativity starts running out after the 2TB mark. Whether or not ext4 or above works, I'm not sure, but I would assume that would be the best candidate.

In a quick Google, I do see that Linux does run but it requires a bit of tweaking to pull it off.
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Posted on 05-18-10 06:34:09 PM Link | Quote
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I know NTFS's nativity starts running out after the 2TB mark.

Really? I thought it had a way higher limit than just 2 TB.

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Posted on 05-18-10 07:52:27 PM Link | Quote
I believe it still works for some applications, but for most there exist problems after 2TB. I remember reading that somewhere at a point.

Not sure if exFAT expands on this limitation or any other incarnation of NTFS (specifically, NTFS5).
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Posted on 05-18-10 09:48:52 PM Link | Quote
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Yeah I figure Linux does pretty well with stuff like that as it doesn't rely on bios for disk stuff like windows does. You can notice this when you try those disk manager utilities with it. It's invisible in windows but with Linux you'll just see the funky disk manager partitions, and the full capacity of the drive.

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Posted on 05-18-10 11:15:19 PM Link | Quote
It's hard enough finding new SCSI and IDE hard drives now, but seriously... making them unable to work on anything older than XP? =/

Also, FAT32 can also go up to 2TB, but Windows XP and up won't format FAT32 any larger than 32GB for some stupid reason... (and there's also a little-known FAT16 4GB format, with 64K clusters, but that's only supported on NT 4 and (maybe) 2000...)

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Posted on 05-18-10 11:27:20 PM (last edited by Xenesis at 05-18-10 08:27 PM) Link | Quote
Not that surprising, the standard volume formats that even XP uses are horribly outdated for current storage capacities.

Hell, the only reason I use FAT32 on my external drive is simply because it's cross-platform compatible for read/writing. FAT32 also has the problem of having a maximum filesize of 4gb supported.
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An Ext2/Ext3 driver I know of may make it possible to access the data anyway, just by using a different driver.

The old fashioned BIOS stuff was way overdue anyway, as it's nearly 30 years old now, and not getting any more up-to-date.

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Posted on 05-19-10 07:48:46 AM Link | Quote
So, how long before we see a PCI/PCI-E card that supports these, like the old Promise UltraATA IDE controllers? It seems the vast majority of existing systems either aren't yet UEFI-capable or never will be, and asking someone to ditch their year-old computer for a new one with UEFI is a bit much.

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Posted on 05-19-10 12:24:51 PM Link | Quote
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...Also, FAT32 can also go up to 2TB, but Windows XP and up won't format FAT32 any larger than 32GB for some stupid reason...


By default, it won't, however you can still perform the operation with other disk utilities. That's how I got my 160 gig external to be FAT32 so it would recognize on my PS3.
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So, how long before we see a PCI/PCI-E card that supports these, like the old Promise UltraATA IDE controllers? It seems the vast majority of existing systems either aren't yet UEFI-capable or never will be, and asking someone to ditch their year-old computer for a new one with UEFI is a bit much.


Well, technically the dummies who designed motherboards should have been rolling out UEFI a while now....

It'd depend on the card, really, as even if you have the card help boot it up, then you have the issue of the OS (DOS through XP) being incapable of parsing it. Then again, hopefully you aren't running anything that old on a brand new computer.

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Posted on 05-19-10 07:08:24 PM (last edited by Bagel at 05-19-10 04:08 PM) Link | Quote
EFI has had kind of a slow adoption rate because manufacturers are like "okay ... what benefits does this have over a traditional BIOS?"

Well, now they have at least one decent reason.

EFI has been in use since 2005 anyway. Every Intel Mac uses it, as do several high-end servers, and it supports volumes in the ... multi-petabyte range I think. Yeah, in the short term, it will be unfortunate that those people with new machines using a traditional BIOS can't use the newer disks but ... they'll live.

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