Jul -- Computers and Technology: So if it wasn't enough before, Steve Jobs OFFICIALLY hates Flash

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Posted on 04-29-10 04:09:56 PM

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Sounds like he's mad at it because his little devices can't run it.

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Posted on 04-29-10 04:11:34 PM

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The question is, who doesn't hate Flash? I'm really looking forward to HTML5 eliminating just about all need for it.

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Posted on 04-29-10 04:12:45 PM

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It's pretty much the first time ever I agree with Steve Jobs.

God Flash is so awful.

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Posted on 04-29-10 04:14:52 PM

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I guess I'm only on the receiving end of flash so I wouldn't know about working with it.

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Posted on 04-29-10 04:18:06 PM

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Major problems I have with it mostly revolve around it being slow.

I'm just having this odd feeling that even HTML5 wouldn't be much better but I guess we'll see here soon...quite possibly if YT makes the transition to HTML5 as well, since that seems to be a hot item for conversation as of late.

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Posted on 04-29-10 05:57:05 PM (last edited by Bagel at 04-29-10 03:00 PM)

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He's not kidding about it being the #1 cause of crashes on the Mac. The Flash plugin is frankly the worst piece of software you can install. Apple made Safari run plugins sandboxed and isolated in Snow Leopard solely because average, non-tech-savvy users got tired of Safari crashing a million times every day just because of a Flash-based banner ad.

I am looking at my about:crashes in Firefox in another tab and all 20+ crashes point to the Flash plugin. It's not just Safari.

Even then, the plugin does not work properly most of the time; clicks don't register, rollover events trigger when there has been no rollover ... there's no hardware acceleration, so there's a lot of CPU load. Watching an embedded youtube video should not cause both of my processor cores to run at 70-90% load.

Jobs has a point. Adobe needs to get their act together. Adobe could help phase out Flash themselves by updating Dreamweaver with more HTML5 tools or something -- I've seen Quake 2 running in HTML5.

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I hated Flash when it was new, have it permanently disabled in my x64 browser (because they won't even bother supporting it for x64), and would love to see it die.

Flash was never good, people. It was always a slow, clunky, proprietary piece of #$%^ that Macromedia and now Adobe fooled people into thinking was necessary.

It only lasted as long as it did due to Newgrounds content, the Flash age (Homestarrunner, etc), and Youtube. Youtube's the major part left over, so if the browser people can get their act together, maybe Flash could finally die altogether.

It'd make myself back in 2000ish who abhorred it glad.

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Posted on 04-30-10 01:33:56 AM

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I don't like when Flash is used where simple HTML/CSS would suffice. Like, for navigation panes, like what my school does.

Also, I really don't like the Web sites that are entirely Flash and function more like a browser-based app than an actual Web site. If I see a fuckload of "Loading...15%", sound, animation, and whatnot, or a Flash-based intro, I'm likely to just hit the Back button. I prefer Web sites to actually look like Web sites.

Of course, Web 1.0 had the analogous problem of animated GIFs, bizarre backgrounds/colours/fonts, autoplaying music, and dumb stuff that followed the mouse pointer, so I guess it's just replacing 1 type of bad Web design with another.

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Posted on 04-30-10 05:48:04 AM

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Sony uses flash for headings on their site for some reason that I don't understand. It makes it look bad in Linux since the flash player there doesn't allow transparent backgrounds so you get white boxes around the text. And that's really all they are is static text, not even clickable.

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Posted on 04-30-10 05:51:30 AM

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That seems to be popular with very small and very large clueless company websites. Flash EVERYTHING.

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Posted on 05-01-10 03:15:53 PM

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I hate flash too.

- Power-sucking
- Mostly used uselessly

- Propietary. You can't develop for it without buying expensive tools!!
- Let alone security issues...

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Microsoft sees blood in the water, takes swipes at Flash as well.

Welcome news, to me.

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Posted on 05-14-10 06:43:27 PM

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Hulu isn't interested.

Harder to switch from Flash, they say.

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Posted on 05-14-10 08:05:43 PM (last edited by Bagel at 05-14-10 05:08 PM)

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Originally posted by them hulu folks
Our player doesn’t just simply stream video, it must also secure the content, handle reporting for our advertisers, render the video using a high performance codec to ensure premium visual quality, communicate back with the server to determine how long to buffer and what bitrate to stream, and dozens of other things that aren’t necessarily visible to the end user.

Bull.

CBS is switching to an HTML5 player. Apparently it's not a problem for them.

ABC is doing an app, at least.

Hulu just wants to stick with something familiar. They'll probably go the app route in the end -- the iPod touch/iPad userbase is too large to ignore.

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Posted on 05-14-10 08:20:07 PM

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Likelihood is they're like a lot of people that are in tech. They stick with what works until they're proven utterly otherwise that something is much better.

I should know, I work for such people.

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Posted on 05-14-10 08:22:19 PM

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Judging from my limited experience with HTML 5 so far, it really doesn't look like anything to be too excited about. Slow and clunky, usually getting whopping framerates of about one.

(This being on a not-slow computer)

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Posted on 05-14-10 08:24:00 PM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Judging from my limited experience with HTML 5 so far, it really doesn't look like anything to be too excited about. Slow and clunky, usually getting whopping framerates of about one.

(This being on a not-slow computer)

How's that any different from Flash then?

Flash runs like utter crap on my nice computer at home in x64 architecture. Win XP 32-bit was fine.

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Posted on 05-14-10 08:28:24 PM

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	But Adobe Apple I have no problems with Flash. Just because people can't code or program with it correctly doesn't mean they are at fault. Its very useful and has revolutionized the web since its inception. Before Flash/Shockwave, there were basically no browser games. ____________________

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Posted on 05-14-10 08:35:36 PM

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Originally posted by Orlandu
Before Flash/Shockwave, there were basically no browser games.

Yeah, but when I have so many crashes from the plugin that I have to install an extension to block things like banner ads that don't do anything special but animate ... or when watching a hulu video on a 2Ghz Core Duo, 2GB RAM machine, not even at full screen, causes my CPU usage to spike in the mid 90s percentile range ...

It's like ... there's a small industry now making products to block Flash content from pages unless you give permission, such as ClickToFlash. It was so bad that Apple had to build in a sandbox to Safari on OS X so that people would be getting less frequent crashes (instead now the flash content is just replaced by a "missing plugin" placeholder if the plugin crashes.)

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