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Posted on 04-27-10 07:27:23 PM (last edited by Orlandu at 04-27-10 04:27 PM)

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	I would like to believe that it is, but the evidence is circumstantial so far. It sounds like the only found 1 compartment of the ark? Only part of it. This very well could be part of the Ark. I truthfully believe that the events of Noah and the Ark took place, as there is evidence of a world wide flood (the Grand Canyon, fish fossils on tops of mountains, petrified trees through multiple sediment layers, etc). But some stone structures have not lasted thousands of years, I doubt that the entire ship withstood this long. So most likely no one will ever fine larger remnants that these team claims to have found. It may be part of the Ark, it may not be. Noah wasn't the only one using wood to make stuff back then. ____________________

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Posted on 04-27-10 07:35:56 PM

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I'm an atheist and I don't literally believe the stories of the Bible, so I say no.

I imagine the flood story could just have been on a much smaller scale originally and was amplified over time, like once some city flooded because of heavy rain far away that they didn't know about, and the city was their world so they thought that the whole world flooded. Similar stories pop up in Greek mythology and whatnot.

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Posted on 04-27-10 08:50:36 PM (last edited by BlackNemesis13 at 04-27-10 06:06 PM)

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The story of Noah's Arc is almost an exact clone of the tale of utnapishtim from the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is likely the first recorded version of this story. Hebrews were VERY familiar with this story, and they appear to have adapted it reflect their own religion. Still, the fact that they even did this suggests that the event of the flood itself did have merit to it, or else why would they bother to re-write a piece of Mesopotamian mythology? Countless other cultures and religions have a story similar to this as well, most likely borrowed from the oral telling of the first tale. You pretty much have to regard them all as being strictly a part of the world of legend, but yet you also have to consider that most legends stem from some sort of truth.

Because of this, I think at one time there was most certainly a Great Flood. However, whether or not it actually covered the entire world remains to be seen. Most likely it did occur on a much smaller scale and was simply exaggerated over time, however you also can't deny the other evidence that Orlandu pointed out such as the fish fossils on tops of mountains.

I haven't looked at the links yet, but I remember that this isn't the first time that someone has claimed to have found Noah's Arc, and I highly doubt that the entire ship has survived all of this time since this would have been ancient history even in the early days of ancient Egypt, and it was made out of wood which doesn't usually hold up well over time, and wood was extremely commonplace.

Edit: Uh, oh Fox News alert. I still haven't seen much of this, but I did see "4,800 years old" Uh, the Bible might date the story back to then, but as I understand it, if the Arc story happened at all, it would have been much earlier since our first record of it is actually a Mesopotamian myth, and Mesopotamia was settled before 5000 BC which is further back than 2,800 BC like they claim. I also agree with the comments on the other site that if something like this did ever occur, the Arc most likely would have been disassembled by "Noah" for sheltering/survival purposes.

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Posted on 04-27-10 08:53:12 PM (last edited by Gywah at 04-27-10 05:53 PM)

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Like Terra, I am an atheist.. so the literal story of Noah and his arc has little to no weight with me. It's a recycled story just like much of the bible..

With that said.. ever read the Epic of Gilgamesh?

EDIT: I should've just read BlackNemesis' post.. ditto.

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Posted on 04-27-10 09:00:31 PM

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No. Finding these "Arcs" has happened before.

Plus you know, the sheer impossibility of it all. Even if there was a big flood and there was a big boat, there wasn't "two of every animal."

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Posted on 04-27-10 09:03:21 PM (last edited by Gywah at 04-27-10 06:05 PM)

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Originally posted by Orlandu
I would like to believe that it is, but the evidence is circumstantial so far. It sounds like the only found 1 compartment of the ark? Only part of it. This very well could be part of the Ark. I truthfully believe that the events of Noah and the Ark took place, as there is evidence of a world wide flood (the Grand Canyon, fish fossils on tops of mountains, petrified trees through multiple sediment layers, etc). But some stone structures have not lasted thousands of years, I doubt that the entire ship withstood this long. So most likely no one will ever fine larger remnants that these team claims to have found. It may be part of the Ark, it may not be. Noah wasn't the only one using wood to make stuff back then.

Sorry, bro - but none of what you said has ANYTHING to do with proof of a global flood.. I've only taken the very basic intro to geology courses in college.. but I learned enough to know how the grand canyon was formed, that mountains don't START thousands of feet high, in fact some of them start... in the middle of an ocean, and how rocks form and metamorphism.

A lot of this pseudoscience is peddled by followers of that hoax Kent Hovind.

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Posted on 04-27-10 09:03:33 PM

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	Originally posted by Shadic Even if there was a big flood and there was a big boat, there wasn't "two of every animal." Elaborate. ____________________

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Posted on 04-27-10 09:07:23 PM

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Biology kind of proves the lack of a workable Arc scenario. There's too many diverse species.

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Posted on 04-27-10 09:14:29 PM

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My thoughts on this? Who the fuck gives a shit!

We have found what remains of a boat from many years ago, and honestly, that's all there is to it for me. :/

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Posted on 04-27-10 09:16:04 PM (last edited by BlackNemesis13 at 04-27-10 06:18 PM)

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In his defense, given evolution, it's logical to conclude that far fewer animal species existed back then then they do now since new animal species develop all the time as they adapt to their surroundings as a result of survival of the fittest and emergence of positive genetic mutations. Therefore MANY species that exist now did not exist 5000 years ago or even 100 years ago, and instead continue to emerge over time.

Also, "two of EVERY animal" like most things in the Bible, isn't to be taken literally. It's like if one of us were to say "I've been all around the world". Though we may get the message across that we've traveled a great deal, it's very unlikely that we meant that we had been on every square inch of earth on this planet. These stories began as oral traditions, so it makes sense that certain things are simplified. The book in the Bible weren't written as word for word historical documentation. They were written to record the basic tenets of the Hebrew faith, as well as to preserve oral traditions firmly founded in that faith. Typically, they are meant to be interpreted generally rather than specifically, and should always be interpreted given their historical context.

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Posted on 04-27-10 09:36:58 PM (last edited by Orlandu at 04-27-10 06:37 PM)

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	It has been estimated that the dimensions of the Ark could house up to 16,000 animals. A quick google search showed there are currently around 5400 species of mammals, the main group of animals that would require housing during a flood. Obviously fish and marine mammals would not require a boat to survive, and only flightless birds would require housing inside the Ark. Also, nothing is stated that these were all full grown adult animals and could have been youger and smaller thus requiring less space. And yes, Kent Hovind is a bit out there, taking some things too literally. But he makes some good points, such as the base of the Grand Canyon being lower than the summit. How did the river flow up a large hill to start the erosion? And how do fossilized trees form between sediment layers supposedly thousands of years apart? ____________________

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Posted on 04-27-10 09:55:27 PM (last edited by Schala at 04-27-10 06:55 PM)

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I seriously doubt that it's any ark or ship, since such a ship couldn't fit two of every known animal to humankind, and the Christians stole the Noah's Ark story from the ancient Mesopotamians anyway... (not like they stole everything else too, like Christmas and Easter. =/)

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	Originally posted by Schala (not like they stole everything else too, like Christmas and Easter. =/) Christmas and Easter weren't stolen by Christians, but merged with pagan beliefs by institutionalized religion. And then commercialized by modern popularity and vendors. ____________________

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Posted on 04-27-10 10:30:08 PM (last edited by Peardian at 04-27-10 07:31 PM)

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From what I've heard, the flood was on a much smaller scale. Namely, a natural barrier separating the sea from a below-sea-level region broke. It's impossible to flood the entire world. Think about it. If that much water existed on the planet we'd be flooded already. Also keep in mind that back then, their view of the world was much much smaller. This also solves the issue of the animals. He wouldn't have needed two of every animal on Earth, as it is commonly depicted, only the animals they knew of in their world. Given the natural diversity of the region, I can't imagine it would be all that diverse.

Basically, you can't take modern views of the world and apply them to a story thousands of years old.

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Posted on 04-27-10 10:50:32 PM

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As a Christian, I believe most of the stories told in the bible are told in a symbolic point of view. Being told by God to put one of every creature male and female on a boat could mean a lot of things. Moses parting the red sea; a lot of people said it was the reed sea, and had claims to back it up. Sure it may seem totally out there when reading the bible, but a lot of things in there do indeed make sense to people if you think outside the box.

My thoughts on this? Who the fuck gives a shit!

I do. I find this stuff fascinating. There are a lot of people in this world who are so into ancient artifacts like this that give evidence to the bible and other religious books out there.

From what I've heard, the flood was on a much smaller scale. Namely, a natural barrier separating the sea from a below-sea-level region broke. It's impossible to flood the entire world. Think about it. If that much water existed on the planet we'd be flooded already.

Actually, I think I read somewhere that the world was once nothing but water. And if the polar ice caps melt, it would get pretty damn close to covering the rest of the world with water. Don't quote me on this one. I do see your theory on this though. I mean, it could actually happen!

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Posted on 04-27-10 10:50:37 PM

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Originally posted by Lunaria
My thoughts on this? Who the fuck gives a shit!

We have found what remains of a boat from many years ago, and honestly, that's all there is to it for me. :/

For the religious types, it's potentially a big deal, that's who gives a shit. It's the boat from the Bible passages, and it helps cement Christianity's doctrine and stuff.

That's not how I feel necessarily. I'm skeptical too. Pretty sure I've heard other supposed discoveries of Noah's Ark in the past. I doubt this is anything special and if it is, well so be it.

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I have researched the bible and the issue at hand here is serveral:

1. Wishful thinking tainting the research. Would you expect researchers working for a company named 'Noah's Ark' not to try at every turn to claim something is, in fact, Noah's Ark?
2. Bias. Even without wishful thinking, they're more likely to overreport data that is in favor of it being the Ark than data which conflicts with it.
3. Weak inductive proof. It is a wood structure atop a mountain made of old wood, therefore they believe it is the Ark... even though it could be any number of other things. They do nothing to discredit alternate possibilities, all while making an appeal to made-up statistics to try and bolster their claim.

Dare I go on?

With the same amount of proof they have, I can claim any wood that is older than a certain age within proximity of a location where something supposedly happened and roughly similar to what is described actually IS that object, discounting whether the old wood was moved in later, it was made by believers ages ago to make the story appear to be true, it being a professional fraud job, etc.

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i believe this as much as i would if someone said ''space colony ARK found!''

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Posted on 04-28-10 07:56:46 PM

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Originally posted by Dark_fusionX
''space colony ARK found!''

But if we did that'd be awesome! We could use it to blow up black doom!

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