Jul -- Gaming: Roger Ebert: "Video games can never be art."

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Posted on 04-19-10 06:25:47 AM

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I allow Sangtiago the last word. Toward the end of her presentation, she shows a visual with six circles, which represent, I gather, the components now forming for her brave new world of video games as art. The circles are labeled: Development, Finance, Publishing, Marketing, Education, and Executive Management. I rest my case.

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The fuck. Because movies aren't totally corporate. That's not even an argument.

Basically. Old man dislikes video games. Thus argues that they aren't art... Because they aren't. Yeah. That's about it.

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Posted on 04-19-10 06:28:44 AM

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He said that fucking FLOWER isn't art.

I mean, shit

The three games she chooses as examples do not raise my hopes for a video game that will deserve my attention long enough to play it. They are, I regret to say, pathetic. I repeat: "No one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great poets, filmmakers, novelists and poets."

Except that it took thousands of years for such artists to come out and video games have been out... what, 40 years?

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Posted on 04-19-10 06:49:18 AM (last edited by Bitmap at 04-19-10 03:54 AM)

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Why did Metal gear make me cry you faggot

oh I so went there

"Faggot" as Roger Ebert.

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To truly emphasize my statement. Here is a spoiler of one scene from the first game

Imagine the 4th.

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Posted on 04-19-10 07:05:04 AM

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I mean hell, why stop at videogames? Remove books, movies, or even music from the picture. From this article's point of view: Nothing is art except the damn Mona Lisa

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Posted on 04-19-10 08:57:44 AM

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Originally posted by Bitmap
I mean hell, why stop at videogames? Remove books, movies, or even music from the picture. From this article's point of view: Nothing is art except the damn Mona Lisa

Which is bogus in and of itself because there's really nothing too special about most of those "historic" paintings, other than the fact that somebody famous created them.

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Posted on 04-19-10 12:09:06 PM (last edited by Terra at 04-19-10 09:09 AM)

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Then what does he call the graphics and music in a video game? Or the storytelling, which even exists in silent text adventures?

Just because they didn't become technologically feasible to get a large audience until the 1970s doesn't make them not art. Maybe he just holds a grudge against a form of entertainment that barely existed (or didn't exist?) when he was young.

Edit: Used the wrong word before and changed the whole meaning of a sentence

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Posted on 04-19-10 12:30:35 PM

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You can't fight people like him. He has a set mindset and no matter what you try to tell him (and others like him) he still won't come around.

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Posted on 04-19-10 01:57:50 PM (last edited by BlackNemesis13 at 04-19-10 10:58 AM)

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I respect Roger Ebert in general, but yeah this is total BS. All he's proving is that he obviously doesn't like video games, and he can't even make a good argument to support that belief.

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Posted on 04-19-10 08:01:47 PM

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If Roger Ebert wants to hate something that appears as a video game, then he should go hate and criticise Linden Lab's 'Second Life' for me, since that world is full of builders and people build there also as a form of art. Let's see what Roger has got to say about that.

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Posted on 04-19-10 09:17:49 PM

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Ebert is paid to express false opinions on boring shit, so when something comes along that he honestly never saw and isn't paid to opinionize, he needs to save face

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Posted on 04-21-10 02:16:27 AM

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	Roger Ebert is a grumpy old man that has seen one too many bad movies and probably reeks of stale popcorn. He alone does not have the power to define something as "art" or "not art," just as I alone do not have the power to officially declare that UFOs are real. Why is anyone listening to what he says? Nerds get all ragey over the stupidest things sometimes. ____________________

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Posted on 04-21-10 02:18:53 AM

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Except I posted it because he is judging it based on trailers and gameplay videos.

Half the experience with video games is the actual playing. If we all played a specific part of a game we would all have different emotions during it. Some of us would probably be really involved in it, others would be passive about it. That is part of something he doesn't get.

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Posted on 04-21-10 02:20:58 AM

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People being ignorant about video games, what a new concept.

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Posted on 04-21-10 02:36:34 AM

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	Most artists works only became "art" long after the artists died. Seeing as videogames aren't going to die anytime soon, and they there are an infinite number of makers... I guess they'll never be art because the artists will never die ro something ____________________ <@Bitmap> Be completely humble and gentle; <@Bitmap> And tell them to shut the fuck up

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Posted on 04-21-10 04:12:02 AM (last edited by Stigandr at 04-21-10 01:12 AM)

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Originally posted by Gunstar Green
Nerds get all ragey over the stupidest things sometimes.

You bastard! How dare you say such slander?!

(actually this may be hilarious next to my title.)

But seriously, this guy's right. Some old man yelled at a cloud. Why do we care?

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Posted on 04-21-10 05:53:48 AM

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Originally posted by Stigandr

But seriously, this guy's right. Some old man yelled at a cloud. Why do we care?

So is this guy a troll?

Either way, he is still the shit stains in my diapers. Long gone and long forgotten.

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Posted on 04-21-10 12:23:45 PM

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The man isn't a troll, he's just an idiot that is talking about things he doesn't fully understand, as shown by his comparison of Braid's time-rewinding, inability to lose mechanic to... taking back a move in chess, ignoring that, you know, you can't take moves back in chess. (Unless you break the rules, of course.)

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Posted on 04-21-10 12:30:39 PM

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His stance on this disappoints me, because a lot of other things he has to say are well-reasoned and intelligent.

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Posted on 04-21-10 09:55:15 PM

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Originally posted by NSNick
His stance on this disappoints me, because a lot of other things he has to say are well-reasoned and intelligent.

This.

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