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Posted on 03-16-10 11:21:00 PM

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	Details on how to access these things would be nice. I'd also prefer a direct recording of the unused music if possible. ____________________

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Posted on 03-16-10 11:23:56 PM

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You don't access the bottom one, and the top three were leftover levels which Treeki hacked to work properly. Those files actually give us close to how the game originally looked/worked, but we've been too lazy to research it I guess...

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Posted on 03-16-10 11:55:32 PM

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	Originally posted by Tanks You don't access the bottom one, and the top three were leftover levels which Treeki hacked to work properly. Those files actually give us close to how the game originally looked/worked, but we've been too lazy to research it I guess... Thank you. This is the kind of information we need! So you're saying that the "unused music" dirbaio mentioned isn't in the final ROM at all? If that's the case, we don't need to add that video. ____________________

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Posted on 03-16-10 11:57:17 PM

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Yea, I think it ought to be made clear that the wiki is for what is found unused within the ROM only. While things such as magazine scans and proto-videos are nice, they don't fit the guidelines... :/

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Posted on 03-17-10 12:21:05 AM

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	Precisely. That has always been TCRF's focus, and I'd like to keep it that way. I believe I've mentioned before that I much prefer cold, hard data to old, blurry screenshots and rampant speculation (and as the old Sonic 2 mockups have shown, how can you even be sure that what you see in a magazine ever really existed in-game?). ____________________

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Posted on 03-17-10 09:58:25 AM (last edited by dirbaio at 03-17-10 07:47 AM)

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That music IS in the released rom. If you edit a level in NSMB Editor and set its music to 0x63, you'll hear exactly that melody. Look at this video of my hack (Hard super dario bros), which features that music:

<object width="480" height="385"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rnoCuVbRtpI&hl=es_ES&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

On the subject of that multiplayer co-op video, there are more stuff left in the ROM that mught be related to it. By using the ? flying block with a certain sprite data, it is possible to spawn a Mario clone, and get two (or more) Mario's on screen, and they interact like they do in the Mario vs Luigi levels and in that beta multiplayer video, except for the fireballs. Throwing fireballs at the other "clone" mario doesn't affect him. Probably because the fireballs know they come from either Mario or Luigi, and in the final multiplayer, your own fireballs don't affect you.
Look at these videos. The first one is showing the ? block on the original levels, and the second one is a level I made where you have to take both Marios to the end. Thread in NSMB Hacking Forum

<object width="480" height="385"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ImpapzpaHkk&hl=es_ES&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
<object width="480" height="385"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Aq_J2UUoGDM&hl=es_ES&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

EDIT: More stuff, now unused graphics, tilesets and BGs

Tilesets

An unused bonus room tileset, which reminds us to the SMW bonus rooms. It features a mini mario door, which can be seen in this beta screenshot

The boss room tilesets also have some blocks that were never used in game: a more colorful version of the tower blocks, and some shiny gray blocks.

Two different versions of the underground tileset: one is darker blue and the other one is yellow.

Backgrounds

There are six unused backgrounds similar to the used bonus room ones, which feature marios, luigis and enemies from SMB NES.

Two unused volcano backgrounds

An unused underground stalagmite background

An unused red underground BG.

Will post more stuff soon...

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Posted on 03-17-10 01:37:21 PM

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Actually, I am not really sure that the flying ? block which can spawn Mario is an actual unused feature. I'm fairly sure it may just be caused by the game trying to read an entry from a table which doesn't have enough entries and creating a duplicate PLAYER object. (NSMBW contains a sprite which is never used in the game, but directly spawns a duplicate player object. It causes similar glitches.)

Some more info about the unused levels:
- The first three are set up for the multiplayer Mario vs. Luigi mode, the other two are single-player desert levels with a flagpole
- With the final game's "sprite set" data, not all the sprites in these levels can be active at once - many of them will conflict and not appear
- Even when the mappings are fixed, some of the sprites' positioning and settings do not match what the final game expects - the tilting mushrooms in the first level are in the wrong position,
- These levels make use of tilesets which no longer exist: the grassland tileset used to have regular mushrooms tiles (the objects are still there, the graphics are just missing), and the third level contains a bonus area which uses a non-existent tileset

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Posted on 03-22-10 02:10:45 AM (last edited by krutomisi at 03-21-10 11:16 PM)

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Originally posted by Hiccup
Credit to gridatttack on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/gridatttack)

<object width="320" height="265"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bYfcQUqzI5U&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0xe1600f&color2=0xfebd01" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="320" height="265"></embed></object>

http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?pid=152942#152942

I came across this on the NSMB section, and it looks like it fits here quite well

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Posted on 03-22-10 05:54:56 AM

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	It would be nice if someone could recreate that video at something better than 4 FPS, with somewhat better playing skills. As it is, it's kinda painful to watch, especially right around the middle. ____________________

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Posted on 03-22-10 06:05:12 PM

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lol...

I'll try to, adding some other beta objects that arent shown in that video.

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Posted on 03-22-10 08:33:40 PM

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Originally posted by Hiccup
'Unused Objects 2'
<object width="425" height="344"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HRJiMRg0zQo&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Another one!

http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?pid=201783#2017832

And they are kinda painful to watch, but notmine!

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Posted on 03-23-10 02:24:45 AM

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	"giant wiggerlers" A small amount of fluency in English would be preferable, too. (neat stuff, regardless) ____________________

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Posted on 03-27-10 05:33:21 PM (last edited by Hiccup at 06-07-10 05:10 AM)

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A few unused entrances

<object width="480" height="385"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/z1jsGQyw8Ug&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

I have fixed up the annotations a bit

Video of the unused music:
<object width="480" height="385"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bWXDVhv0nhg&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

But It has sound effects of mario running around.

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Posted on 06-09-10 07:27:51 AM (last edited by Hiccup at 12-27-12 08:21:19 AM)

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Sorry for the double post but I needed to post the infomation

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1093/nsmbworlds.png
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7323/jungle.png
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjtuKAsOts
http://www.unseen64.net/wp-content/gallery/new-super-mario-bros/gears.png EDIT: [2012] (dunno if unused, maybe used by w6 tank boss?)

Unused Sprites:
33: Springboard
Sprite Data:
0000 0S00 0000 - Set S to 1 to make it giant

289 - Expandable Block
00 00 0A 00 00 00
A: After the fourth block comes out, all four turn to hard blocks if A is not 0

43: Unused Chain chomp with no stake (defeat-able with ground pound on head)

Wiggler (will edit with giant sprite data value)

57 - Coin
00 00 SS 00 00 00

SS= Settings:
00 Normal Coin, 01 for Bubble left-down, 02 for for Bubble left , 03 Loose Coin, 05 Loose Coin, 06 Coin Floating Right not in bubble,
07 = Coin Floating Up Left not in bubble, 08 = Normal Coin

Sprite 124 Giant Venus Fire Trap

Sprite 270 cracked pipe
Sprite Data:

00 00 SS 00 FU L0

S: Size of the pipe in blocks. (Hiccup only saw the bits of pipe, not a pipe because he tested it with 0 size)
F: Makes a vibrating horizontal pipe?? Makes a real pipe when you touch it??? I don't know exactly what this does.
U: Makes the pipe be upside-down
L: Makes the pipe fly left instead of right.

26: Left Facing Pirana Plant
00 00 0F 00 00 00
Set F to 1 for it to spit fire

25: Right Facing Pirana Plant
Same as above

144: Rotating Spiked ? Block
Data: 0000 0T00 0000 - T = type: 0 = coin, 1 = mushroom/flower, 2 = 1up, 3 = 1up, 4 = Same as 0 but makes a different sound, 5 = A mushroom that looks like it has just came out of your inventory, 6 = Same as 4, 7 = Coin,
8 = Coin, 9 = mushroom/flower, F = A flower that looks like it has just came out of your inventory,
E = mushroom/flower, A = Coin, B = Same as 5, C = Same as 4, D = Coin

Sprite 83 is a ? block when you enter the screen with it in a power up will pop out

(will edit with sprite number)
00 00 00 00 00 S0
change S into 0=stretching by itself (bouncy), 1=stopped but when you go on top will sink down (cushion-like), 2=solid (non-moving)

Sprite 70: a spinning Super Mario Bros 3 log but jumpthrough

00 00 0L 00 00 00

Set L to length: 0 = small, 1 = large,

31 - Cheep cheep
00 00 02 00 00 00 = Acts like sprite 130, but it goes jumping onto the water.
00 00 03 00 00 00 = It doesn´t move (inside water)

37 - Spiny
00 00 00 03 00 00 = Faster

38 - Boo
00 00 01 00 00 00 = It goes faster (has a glitch were it stops)

90 - Wiggler
00 00 01 00 00 00 = Makes it bigger. Acts like the regular one

94 - Swooper
00 00 01 00 00 00 = Makes it bigger. Acts like the smaller one (there is also and invisable)

130 - Jumping cheep-cheep
00 00 10 00 00 00 = Acts like the cheep-cheeps that appear with the cheep skipper (third world´s boss)

276:
0000 0000 00F0

F: If set to 1, it only allows the camera to go forward, like in the secret challenge mode.

43 is a lakitu Havent noticed the differences with the original (needs research might have apeared in unused desert level)

258 is a spikebass the difference is that it works on a lower water level the used one dosent

plant (texture linked above)
for 255 is 00 00 SS 00 00 W0 change s to the speed that will start hovering, change W to have invisble water at the height of the plants

203 is a purple tilt mushroom that is small and tilts slowly

for 149 (I THINK this is unused) 00 00 10 00 00 00 to make appear a empty koopa shell. if you change the color to blue you can grab the blue shell and carry it around but if you ground pound you will get the powerup like in the beta way of getting this powerup.

Small Pendulum Platform they can be made small which is unused

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Posted on 06-18-10 07:04:52 PM

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I'm amazed nobody has posted this yet:

Thunderbolt item, was with the powerup graphics. Treeki says it's unused.

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Posted on 06-22-10 04:02:12 PM

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So I was poking around the insides of NSMB with Treeki's editor, and as I was looking at the tileset used by the first castle level of World 8, I noticed a ton of unused tiles... that Nintendo destroyed instead of deleted

It's the stuff covered in teal X marks... Maybe someone can restore the tiles?

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Posted on 06-23-10 12:06:56 AM

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	Wow, I've never seen unused graphics marked for deletion like that... ____________________

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Posted on 06-23-10 02:48:17 AM (last edited by gridatttack at 06-23-10 12:15 AM)

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Also, a unused big red door exist in the tower tileset:

Too bad the door is covered in many x, as it have a door behaviour

The beta icons(Credit for Dirbaio for finding them):

And also the unused plants for sprite 255(thanks to hiccup and dirbaio):

Mario goes behind the plants, may have been used in world 4.

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Posted on 06-23-10 11:01:27 AM

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Those destroyed tiles look very similar too some in the beta videos.
This X marking happens in the grassland tileset too on what was probably a mushroom stalk.

There is unused lava in the tower, castle, final castle, and volcano tilesets.
Water too in the main block tileset, and a climbable vine that acts like the vines that comes out of blocks.
These are all fully functional

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