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Posted on 03-11-10 11:23:25 PM

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Originally posted by Shadic
Honestly, the only thing that they improved was embedding, from what I can tell.

"The shit's bigger and stinks more, but hey, at least we got a better spoon."

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Posted on 03-11-10 11:39:06 PM

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Hey, if you see an embedded video, you don't have to deal with the shit at all! So the shit spoon metaphor isn't quite right.

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Posted on 03-11-10 11:39:26 PM

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i fail to see your problems

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Posted on 03-11-10 11:49:19 PM

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Originally posted by cpubasic13
i fail to see your problems

Same here, really. I never bother with ratings/comments, and it's pretty much an irrefutable fact that most YouTube users refuse to read the description no matter where it is, so...

Though, it seems like this change is only affecting browsers with x264 support for <video> tags. So Firefox is unaffected. Hoo hoo hoo.

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Posted on 03-11-10 11:49:45 PM

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Uglier interface and less usability = Sadness.

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Posted on 03-11-10 11:51:04 PM

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Looks good to me.

And it has the same usability, except it changed it from a 1-5 rating to a Yes/No rating, which is pretty much what people rate things anyway.

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Posted on 03-11-10 11:54:24 PM (last edited by Xkeeper at 03-11-10 08:55 PM)

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I would imagine that having disjointed lines

like this for comments is not

really very conductive to fast reading

and makes tracking basic information

like the dates of comments

incredibly annoying

Plus:
- Having the description where it is makes it even less likely someone will read it, and it's now impossible to read at the same time as a video
- SEARCHES AND SUBSCRIPTIONS AUTOPLAY AND THIS CANNOT BE DISABLED PERMANENTLY
- Comments and videos no longer have visible ratings, so you can't tell if some video is going to be a stupid screamer/rickroll/ad

In short:
- Fixing what wasn't fucking broke

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Posted on 03-12-10 12:07:21 AM

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Ugh.

I don't like needless interface changes in general. It's like a lot of newer boards (I think this is mostly vBulletins) that put the user info above the post. It was just fine on the left, if you ask me.

I really don't like the autoplay either. I assume you mean like with a playlist, where it loads the next video automatically after the current one is done by default. I often use those inter-video breaks to do whatever other stuff.

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Posted on 03-12-10 12:22:28 AM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
I would imagine that having disjointed lines
like this for comments is not
really very conductive to fast reading
and makes tracking basic information
like the dates of comments
incredibly annoying

It looks totally bad (not).

Don't know how that looks unreadable. You see the user, the comment, and the date at the end, all in different fonts and colors for emphasis on whatever the info is.

- Having the description where it is makes it even less likely someone will read it, and it's now impossible to read at the same time as a video

What is that under the video? The description. The arrow means to read more of the description and there is no problem with this. I don't know how you can't see the description and video but every screenshot I've seen of the new layout looks like I could do both.

- Comments and videos no longer have visible ratings, so you can't tell if some video is going to be a stupid screamer/rickroll/ad

Thumbs Up/Down. Video comment ratings are absolutely retarded anyway.

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Posted on 03-12-10 12:50:13 AM

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No they're not. You're able to signal disapproval of stupid shit people say. You can still do so, but now you can't see the rating of the comment? What the hell is the point?

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Posted on 03-12-10 05:59:39 AM

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03-12-10 12:59:39 AM
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Oh Youtube, what is it with your not being able to get comment systems right? The original was fine when it worked (which was not often enough), and then you go do something stupid like this. Actually, that goes for the rest of it too.

Originally posted by paulguy
I do kinda like h.264 as it's the technological superior... I think it'll just end up being kinda like how plug-ins work nowadays where you download a separate unofficial codec to get it to work... either provided by MPEG themselves or libavcodec or something

That won't fix anything. The entire point of HTML5 video is you embed a video in a webpage and anyone can see it because they all use the same format. Having to deal with a bunch of stupid broken bloated proprietary plugins that are only available for x86 and don't work right on x64 or Linux is exactly the problem we have right NOW with Flash.

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Posted on 03-12-10 06:02:14 AM

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I'm sure they just need to make some creative workaround and we'll forget about the .h264 thing eventually. But the bad layout?

That's still gonna suck years from now.

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Posted on 03-12-10 06:02:19 AM

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Replies seem to thread properly now, for the most part. I can't believe how fucked up it was before, though.

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Posted on 03-12-10 06:04:14 AM

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Luckily, my browser(s) don't seem to see the messed up version.

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Posted on 03-12-10 10:57:30 AM

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Maybe you can install Greasemonkey and, within this extension, install (again) a user script which circuumvents the changes. There are indeed some scripts for YouTube, but since I have the old version, too, I cannot tell/am not in need to alter the page display here.
It does not look too well with those big buttons, but I have to admit to like the current player quite much. Getting used to video descriptions below the actual videos (480p or higher) takes some time, but at least you can watch them in a good quality or HD (even looks pretty nice on my old 19" CRT). Too bad Google won't offer at least a lite and full version of the video page and/or player.
Yet, I have to agree how some older designs work much better. Take the channel page for example. Am I the only one who still is _really_ confused about searching for certain uploaded videos?
And for the channel page there seems no setting which allows you to open up new videos on a new page (some people have nasty backgrounds or you just want to watch videos in a fresh, new tab or window), but just plays the video on the same page. Okay, you CAN just middle-click again ...

HTML5 would be great, I also think the <video> tag uses less system resources than Flash. It might be good for some lower end Net-/Notebooks. On my older computer with a single-core Flash could use up quite some resources then.

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Posted on 03-12-10 07:28:43 PM

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Flash and youtube is terrible on my athlon 2500+.

Speaking of light versions of youtube, isn't there that "youtube feather" thing? Did they just end up scrapping that? It would've been nice if they had kept it and tweaked it a bit. The only thing I didn't like is I would've preferred to have had more related video links, instead of just 6... and extended it to the channel page where the high requirements really exist. It's not really the download size that's the issue, it's the ajax bloat.

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Posted on 03-12-10 07:40:28 PM

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I've still got the old layout, and I'm glad for that. I still hate the channels, though...

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Posted on 03-12-10 11:12:37 PM

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Youtube used to have a really awesome feature where you could click a lightbulb, and the screen would go dark, except the video.

It lasted like, a week. I miss it.

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Posted on 03-12-10 11:57:39 PM

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There's still full-screen mode, although that persistent "Press Esc to exit full-screen mode." that can't be disabled and lasts for several seconds gets quite annoying. Also, being full-screen it's harder to multitask.

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