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Posted on 03-10-10 06:18:25 PM

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Originally posted by Arisu
I don't understand how it can be your solution if it most resembles the existing system. Are you trying to say even though it has all of these problems it is ok, or that because it is so powerful there is nothing one can do about it but submit?

Neither; mostly I look at it as something with a lot of inertia, that, thusly, requires a lot of force on the part of the citizen if they want to get any change done. So, in-between.

Originally posted by Arisu
If you consider your cushy American lifestyle to be a nasty struggle, then I'm not sure what sort of kind era would suit you. I think it is important that we do struggle, because otherwise it's easy to forget that we're alive, and not just prolonging--life would be terribly boring if it were easy.

Well, I don't blame you for saying that, except we don't have any air conditioning, no one is employed in our house, our water hearter is broken, our cars are all 20+ years old and disintegrating, our dish washer is leaking everywhere, our dryer is nearly busted, our TVs are all at least 10 if not 20 years old (except for mine), we don't have Cable, we can't afford to go to Starbucks more than once a week, we live week-to-week and often run out of groceries (not starving, but unpleasant), and we have no health insurance.

Some others may be rockin' the cushy experience, but at this rate, I'd almost be better off in a rural third-world country, where there might at least be some other people in the community who'd help us and vice versa rather than living in an island surrounded by drug dealers and prostitutes.

Originally posted by Arisu
I don't know if you're a Quaker or something, but I guess all of sex, drugs and gay in politics would be enough to leave you scarred for life. I think we should leave their personal lives out of this though. (If you think politics is obscene you haven't read Joyce though)

See, I disagree on this, because their personal lives shape who they are, and them playing double standards aren't fair. What if I was a robber baron in my personal life, but then decided to play nice in my public one? Nobody would say 'stay out of his personal life' when people would get mad at me for that.

On the other hand, politicians often get protection from this, and so, it gives them further feelings of entitlement and invincibility--to corrupt and ruin things.

Originally posted by Arisu
Jokes aside it's a pretty hostile place and both sides know that something needs to give if they want to change from the constant pursuit of a supermajority and then doing everything to keep it for as long as you can at whatever cost.

That's more or less my problem with it; the quest for supermajority turns them into tyrants-for-vote; they'll do anything for votes, and those who don't don't get elected. Or are popular enough to become a different sort of figure--the popular guy who does whatever he wants, which misses the mark on the entirely other side of the spectrum.

Originally posted by Arisu
Yes the front in the statehouses and the courtrooms are important, but don't be disillusioned into thinking that everything is decided there.

Not everything is decided there, but, more and more, it seems they arbitrarily decide whatever they feel like, then also decide what will be enforced, at a right angle to the will of the people. They don't want to help us, but rather, to be voted in for another term. Whether or not they have absolute power, they have plenty of power in messing up our lives; power they seem to have been using to do so for the last couple of years.

Therefore having lost a teacher to budget cuts, lost significant financial security due to Regan's prop 13 undermining the government of my state and causing there to be less and less support programs, and the various tax cuts and deregulation leading to the financial crisis, it becomes crystal clear the guys on top would much rather I die in a fire than actually do anything about problems effecting the people.

Sorry if I sound cynical and dark, but, the way anything that benefits me keeps getting destroyed by politicians and replaced with something that further injures me just has me wondering which country I should move to already. I do see however you have a reasonable idea for politics; and again, I wish I could believe in such, but with what I've seen, it doesn't seem real to me.

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Posted on 03-10-10 07:35:03 PM

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See, I disagree on this, because their personal lives shape who they are, and them playing double standards aren't fair. What if I was a robber baron in my personal life, but then decided to play nice in my public one? Nobody would say 'stay out of his personal life' when people would get mad at me for that.

On the other hand, politicians often get protection from this, and so, it gives them further feelings of entitlement and invincibility--to corrupt and ruin things.

I suspect Arisu meant things that aren't directly relevant to politics. Being a robber baron is obviously not one of those things. Family issues are irrelevant, unless they directly impact the job they do in office (compare President Clinton to Governor Sanford; one continued to do his job in spite of his affair, the other used state funds to fly to Argentina, completely deserting his job in the meantime).

Drag: While that's a rather optimistic view of it, I rather doubt it would work that way. Consider, after all, that marital status, nation of origin, religion and political affiliation are all still protected (for state employees, at least; couldn't find a university one real quickly).

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Posted on 03-10-10 11:22:09 PM

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http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1905017

And the situation settles down. The law gets upheld and the institutions will continue as they were.

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Posted on 03-11-10 01:24:08 AM

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Originally posted by Tanks
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1905017

And the situation settles down. The law gets upheld and the institutions will continue as they were.

Well, that was simple.

All it took was that action to remove it.

As for politician's personal lives, my criticism is of their lavish behaviors, ones which corrupt their ability to lead. Some people might say they need their space, but I feel their tendency to go hog wild due to their station is a part of what corrupts them further.

Even though I'm an Atheist and have no religious reason to believe that. :p

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Posted on 03-14-10 01:47:14 PM (last edited by Bitmap at 03-15-10 03:22 AM)

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E- VVV Wrong thread. My bad.

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Posted on 03-14-10 07:01:44 PM

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Bitmap, that really has very little to do with the situation here...

Anyway, VA's Attorney General explains the reasoning.

I managed to dig up more info than is given in there as well. Apparently, William and Mary, the state's most gay friendly university, actually sent an inquiry to him asking about the legality of adding such a clause. He, of course, told them it was illegal and wrote a letter addressing the issue with all state institutions. Then came the press who ate it all up with their wonderful yellow journalism and caused the mess you see here.

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Posted on 03-31-10 03:26:24 PM

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Originally posted by Tanks
Bitmap, that really has very little to do with the situation here...

Anyway, VA's Attorney General explains the reasoning.

I managed to dig up more info than is given in there as well. Apparently, William and Mary, the state's most gay friendly university, actually sent an inquiry to him asking about the legality of adding such a clause. He, of course, told them it was illegal and wrote a letter addressing the issue with all state institutions. Then came the press who ate it all up with their wonderful yellow journalism and caused the mess you see here.

So basically what happened is that W&M asked if they could add "sexual orientation" to their non-discrimination clause, and the AG said "you can't, because it's up to the General Assembly to change that law", and somehow, that got misinterpreted as "We're taking sexual orientation out of the non-discrimination law", rather than "as it currently stands, sexual orientation is not one of the things defined in the law, and it's up to the General Assembly to change the law"?

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