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| Jul - Computers and Technology - After 14 years: GIMP is finally becoming usable! |
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Gywah Level: 28      Posts: 6/150 EXP: 122990 For next: 8348 Since: 01-24-10 From: Your mother. Since last post: 11.5 years Last activity: 11.5 years
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| It's not your application that's the problem, it's your argument. |
Ninji Birdo Why did my user title say I'm a toaster anyway Level: 88  Posts: 1471/2014 EXP: 6639027 For next: 11637 Since: 07-26-07 Pronouns: he/him or they/them From: Glasgow, Scotland Since last post: 114 days Last activity: 7 days
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Gywah Level: 28 Posts: 7/150 EXP: 122990 For next: 8348 Since: 01-24-10 From: Your mother. Since last post: 11.5 years Last activity: 11.5 years
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| Sounds like an OS or preference issue to me.
Also, if you use a window manager without a taskbar doesn't that too "address" the "issue"? Thankfully this new UI can be disabled. |
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Ninji Birdo Why did my user title say I'm a toaster anyway Level: 88 Posts: 1472/2014 EXP: 6639027 For next: 11637 Since: 07-26-07 Pronouns: he/him or they/them From: Glasgow, Scotland Since last post: 114 days Last activity: 7 days
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Gywah Level: 28 Posts: 8/150 EXP: 122990 For next: 8348 Since: 01-24-10 From: Your mother. Since last post: 11.5 years Last activity: 11.5 years
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| *shrug*
I can't account for what windows users experience. I can only equate running Gimp on Windows to running Photoshop with Wine. |
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Gywah Level: 28 Posts: 9/150 EXP: 122990 For next: 8348 Since: 01-24-10 From: Your mother. Since last post: 11.5 years Last activity: 11.5 years
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| Why would I expect the average Gimp user to be a Windows user?
I think it's only fair to judge an application for its native environment. I had Microsoft Excel 2007 wig out and completely refuse to produce a usable graph on Linux the other day, turns out it was the wine layer which caused it. Ran it within an XP virtual machine and worked fine. See where I'm going with this? |
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Ninji Birdo Why did my user title say I'm a toaster anyway Level: 88 Posts: 1476/2014 EXP: 6639027 For next: 11637 Since: 07-26-07 Pronouns: he/him or they/them From: Glasgow, Scotland Since last post: 114 days Last activity: 7 days
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Gywah Level: 28 Posts: 10/150 EXP: 122990 For next: 8348 Since: 01-24-10 From: Your mother. Since last post: 11.5 years Last activity: 11.5 years
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| Technically you're right, technically you're also wrong.
Wine provides a drop-in solution to natively use the win32 API, it does the port without a port being necessary. That's why the Linux version of Picasa uses it. Also, the behavior on Linux depends on the Window Manager you use. |
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Lyskar 12210     -The Chaos within trumps the Chaos without- Level: 192  Posts: 4252/12211 EXP: 99327867 For next: 545704 Since: 07-03-07 From: 52-2-88-7 Since last post: 7.4 years Last activity: 7.3 years
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paulguy Green Birdo Level: 93  Posts: 511/2294 EXP: 8032919 For next: 19891 Since: 09-14-07 From: Buffalo, NY Since last post: 9.7 years Last activity: 9.7 years
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Paulguy's Post configuration Even without a taskbar, the gimp would still be annoying. It doesn't matter what your method of switching tasks is... I did find it SOMEWHAT usable in Ion, until I selected any option that opened another window. What a hassle. I would like to see them make some changes to the multiwindow interface, that have been mentioned here. Like individual panel windows that all minimize along with the main windows and so on, rather than having 2 "specifically" purposed, somewhat hard-coded windows, rather than the ability to spawn as many windows as you want at will and dock whatever the hell you want to each one. I put specifically in quotes because you can more or less dock or undock stuff on them, but they each have a specific role. Like the window that normally has tools is the "main" application window that stops the whole application when closed... I don't like it that way. It should ONLY close once you've closed all the image windows, not some arbitrary tool window. Of course, all these gripes are based on the years old code that it's built on that they're unlikely ever to change.
Personally, I welcome the new option, and will likely make use of it. It really looks like they're doing the interface the right way. ____________________ |
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Darkdata Ruins!? ♥ Level: 103  Posts: 1290/2892 EXP: 11446831 For next: 24575 Since: 07-04-07 Since last post: 203 days Last activity: 11 days
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The way gimp uses layers also drives me crazy, I hate having to expand layers whenever I copy/Paste something. Also when it randomly decides to hold on fonts every third start up.  ____________________ |
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Gywah Level: 28 Posts: 12/150 EXP: 122990 For next: 8348 Since: 01-24-10 From: Your mother. Since last post: 11.5 years Last activity: 11.5 years
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Originally posted by paulguy Wow, that's kind of a weird statement to say, especially considering the huge amount of legacy code in Photoshop. 1) Gimp was almost completely re-written for the 2.x GTK2 port, so much of the code is actually brand new and quite easy to hack on. 2) On the other hand, Photoshop's code is decades old and the behemoth of old code is what has prevented a proper Linux port, one might even be impossible at this point. All the "issues" you've addressed, I put issue in quotes because they're personal UI opinions, can be address with a fairly basic understand of the GTK2 API. ____________________ |
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paulguy Green Birdo Level: 93 Posts: 512/2294 EXP: 8032919 For next: 19891 Since: 09-14-07 From: Buffalo, NY Since last post: 9.7 years Last activity: 9.7 years
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Paulguy's Post configuration They're not entirely UI opinions, they're mostly just features that'd be useful and really wouldn't change one's use of the program much if they prefer the default layout and all that.
Also, if they're API limitations, then why not build on it? It _IS_ their API anyway, being the GIMP Toolkit. also, y so srs? ____________________ |
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Gywah Level: 28 Posts: 13/150 EXP: 122990 For next: 8348 Since: 01-24-10 From: Your mother. Since last post: 11.5 years Last activity: 11.5 years
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| I never said there was an API limitation, at all. I said it only takes a basic understanding OF it to address the "issues".
Secondly, GTK is only the "gimp" toolkit in name now, just as the GNU foundation has almost nothing to do with Gimp anymore. The G in GTK has more to do with GNOME than Gimp, really. ____________________ |
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Rena I had one (1) message in Discord deleted and proceeded to make a huge, huge mess about how it was a violation of free speech and how moderators are supposed to be spam janitors and nobody should have the right to tell me not to talk about school shootings Level: 135 Posts: 2823/5390 EXP: 29077535 For next: 257470 Since: 07-22-07 Pronouns: he/him/whatever From: RSP Segment 6 Since last post: 343 days Last activity: 343 days
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02-18-10 12:52:31 AM Post #2823 Why all the hating on multi-window interfaces? They're fantastic for organization, especially on multiple monitors. Single-window interfaces rarely can be used on more than one screen at a time, and when you have a lot of tool windows like in Gimp, not being able to stuff those windows onto another screen is just wasteful and annoying.
Creating taskbar buttons for every tool window and not minimizing them along with the main window is a design flaw; that doesn't mean the only solution is combining them all into one window. Much better to just address the flaws directly. (Of course, if your OS offers multiple workspaces - which even Windows does, in a hackish manner, with an addon from Microsoft - then it's not an issue at all... one workspace for the program, another for your web browser/text editor/etc, and use the sticky function for your IM windows and terminals to keep them accessible at all times. Works beautifully.) ____________________  why not? |
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paulguy Green Birdo Level: 93  Posts: 529/2294 EXP: 8032919 For next: 19891 Since: 09-14-07 From: Buffalo, NY Since last post: 9.7 years Last activity: 9.7 years
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Paulguy's Post configuration Originally posted by HyperHacker It's going to be an option, though. You can choose between single and multi window modes, as far as I can understand. Which is great. ____________________ |
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Kas Member Level: 28 Posts: 90/145 EXP: 128228 For next: 3110 Since: 07-28-07 From: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1.2 years Last activity: 1.2 years
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| I hate the GIMP for a few reasons.
First is the lack of Wacom tablet support in OS X. The GIMP is ported to the Mac using Mac OS X's implementation of X - X11. X11 doesn't have any support for Wacom tablets, and thus neither does the GIMP. What you're left with is a stalemate where both parties are forever blaming each other, with zero interest on improving the product for the end user. This apathy makes the GIMP on the Mac a depressing experience. Second is the awful usability. As far as I can tell, I can't dynamically resize the size brush that I am using. There are only brush presets. Brush presets are fine for different shapes and textures, but just not flexible enough for brush sizes. I don't know if there is a permanent interface element for this, if there is I've never found it. I'm also disappointed that I can't change the settings for the brush tool while I have an active path - my path is lost if I try it. The window management problem is an irritation. In OS X you can select the X11 dock icon to bring all to the front, but not with the GIMP's icon. You also have to focus on a window before you can interact with it. To come from the canvas to the toolbox, you have to click four times to change tool and begin editing again. Open source software is a good thing. Ubuntu and Open Office shows that open source is indeed rivalling proprietary software, and be a joy to use (especially Ubuntu). However, I don't believe free software is necessarily better. I'm using an illustration app called Pixelmator. It works natively in OS X, it has Wacom support, has many of the illustration functions of Photoshop, is very accessible and usable, and cost me £30. I love it - it might not be free, but it's affordable. I paid the price of a discounted videogame and I get usability, functionality, updates and no need to download a dodgy crack like Photoshop. |
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