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Posted on 01-30-10 03:29:57 AM (last edited by Treeki at 01-30-10 12:37 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Metal_Man88
They have been struggling to convert a more mundane browser that only has occasional flash and AJAX work into one of these multimedia abominations everyone thinks they need these days. It, therefore, cannot be expected to be the fastest, saving its abilities for versatility rather than raw speed.
Yeah, but I can open a page in Firefox which is only simple HTML/CSS (no Flash, JS, etc) and it will still run slowly and be extremely laggy. I doubt it's related to FF not being a "multimedia abomination".

You make me sound like I'm insane for expecting FF to load/render regular pages at a decent speed (especially given all the hype it receives). I'd love to be able to use FF. Extensions are an awesome feature, the themes all look better - but the speed issues and lag just ruin it for me.

Originally posted by Metal_Man88
Oops, guess Opera can't handle complex graphics or data as well as Firefox can.
Yeah, that's because you're testing with Opera 10.10. 10.50 has a completely new Javascript engine (Carakan), a lot more support for CSS3 and HTML5, and feels far smoother in general.

edit: Here are the detailed benchmark results for Opera: http://treeki.shacknet.nu/pk_2.png - FF is better at complex graphics, you say?

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See, that's my point right there. I can just break out some trunk builds of Firefox to fight your Opera 10.50, and we're right back to where we started.

My point is that your comment about Firefox 'lagging' and being 'slow' are based more on your dislike that it is not exactly as fast as Opera or faster, rather than it being substantially slower than most browsers.

You can call it slow all you want, but in the end, you're just going "It's not Opera" to me. But of course it isn't Opera. I guarantee if I brought up the latest trunk build it'd probably, once again, excel in different areas from Opera 10.50's prototype build. Does that make it slow?

No.

But then again, I think I've realized the crux of your argument--anything that's slower than Opera is slow. Well then, I understand what you mean now... nothing more needs to be said.

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Posted on 01-30-10 04:25:36 AM Link | Quote
I use Firefox at my grandparents' and have a lot of issues with it lagging when scrolling, the middle-click scroll fugging up, and a few other problems (like the tab bar scrolling tabs around instead of not doing so, probably some option somewhere). Works for old people, shit for power users.

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Well, they made the scrolling less buggy in this version. Not so sure on the tab thing--it does rather stupidly jump to the top of the page if you tab through the whole page, then back up on the top and so on.

3.5 though, yeah, that was a mess.

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Posted on 01-30-10 07:08:03 PM Link | Quote
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Yeah, that scrolling stuff was nasty. Ruined browsing Jul for me for a while.

I hope if they make tabs individual processes, they don't each gobble up memory like Firefox currently does. Otherwise...

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Posted on 01-30-10 09:02:39 PM Link | Quote
Finally going page up and down in Jul with smooth scrolling is really fun. No more sluggish scrolling. Nothing against Ikachan, but it always caused a horizontal line of tearing here, even on this newer machine (on a HD4770, nothing special, but still should be way more than enough to display a regular website!).
As for issues, never had those with Firefox 3.x, no crash and as for memory I know Firefox is a resource hog. But it "only" goes up to maybe 200-300 MB usually anyway. To be honest, I don't care anymore, since I jumped straight from 0,5 to 4 GB of RAM with this new machine.
Still, I dislike the fact many authors go big, fat websites, also those annoying flash-only ones (like corporate video game pages). Come on, at least always make it optional for _all_ of them. Here on Jul layouts are turned off for guests, so there should be no bigger problems, but if other sites rely on resource hogging pain - hell, no. Even 2010.
There is enough users who just need a netbook, and if these already struggle displaying certain websites I don't want to know how this will be in the near future.

I just miss my mouse gestures, which got broken in 3.6. Everything else works fine; hope the authors will update them soon.

Otherwise Firefox still is the browser of choice here. Close before Opera and Chrome.

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Posted on 03-31-10 07:20:33 AM Link | Quote
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Got updated to 3.6.2.

Most importantly, it no longer loses my posts when trying to post.

This should come as a relief to anyone inconvenienced by my thing potentially throwing up red flags by failing to post threads/posts the first two or three times. Ugh.

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Posted on 03-31-10 01:53:52 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shadic
The scrolling issue almost converted me to Opera, actually. Ended up back to Firefox because of plugins and whatnot. So glad 3.6 fixed most of the scrolling speed issues.

Firefox still gets laggy though on stuff like Google Wave. Can't wait until they pull a Chrome and make each tab its own process.


Dunno about that.. for someone like me that always has a lot of tabs up, Chrome eats ridiculous amounts of memory. My home computer also does not seem to like all the extra processes, fugs it up completely.

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Posted on 04-01-10 01:25:59 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Zushakon
Dunno about that.. for someone like me that always has a lot of tabs up, Chrome eats ridiculous amounts of memory. My home computer also does not seem to like all the extra processes, fugs it up completely.

Processes are per-domain, not per-page.

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Posted on 04-01-10 02:24:48 PM Link | Quote

I use chrome here, it doesn't really have any of those problems.

Except when a certain Java game sucks up an entire core. Then chrome lags to hell and back.

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