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Posted on 01-22-10 06:52:18 PM Link | Quote
From the Washington Post:


The Supreme Court threw out a 63-year-old law designed to restrain the influence of big business and unions on elections Thursday, ruling that corporations may spend as freely as they like to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress. The decision could drastically alter who gives and gets hundreds of millions of dollars in this year's crucial midterm elections. By a 5-4 vote, the court overturned two of its own decisions as well as the decades-old law that said companies and labor unions can be prohibited from using money from their general treasuries to produce and run their own campaign ads. The decision threatens similar limits imposed by 24 states.

It leaves in place a prohibition on direct contributions to candidates from corporations and unions.

Critics of the stricter limits have argued that they amount to an unconstitutional restraint of free speech, and the court majority agreed.

"The censorship we now confront is vast in its reach," Justice Anthony Kennedy said in his majority opinion, joined by his four more conservative colleagues.

Strongly disagreeing, Justice John Paul Stevens said in his dissent, "The court's ruling threatens to undermine the integrity of elected institutions around the nation."

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor joined Stevens' dissent, parts of which he read aloud in the courtroom.

The justices also struck down part of the landmark McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill that barred union- and corporate-paid issue ads in the closing days of election campaigns.

Advocates of strong campaign finance regulations have predicted that a court ruling against the limits would lead to a flood of corporate and union money in federal campaigns as early as this year's midterm congressional elections.

"It's the Super Bowl of bad decisions," said Common Cause president Bob Edgar, a former congressman from Pennsylvania.

The opinion goes to the heart of laws dating back to the Gilded Age when Congress passed the Tillman Act in 1907 banning corporations from donating money directly to federal candidates. Though that prohibition still stands, the same can't be said for much of the century-long effort that followed to separate politics from corporate money.

The decision's most immediate effect is to permit corporate and union-sponsored political ads to run right up to the moment of an election, and to allow them to call for the election or defeat of a candidate. In presidential elections and in highly contested congressional contests, that could mean a dramatic increase in television advertising competing for time and public attention.

In the long term, corporations, their industry associations and labor unions are free to tap their treasuries to assist candidates, although the spending may not be coordinated with the candidates.

"It's going to be the Wild Wild West," said Ben Ginsberg, a Republican attorney who has represented several GOP presidential campaigns. "If corporations and unions can give unlimited amounts ... it means that the public debate is significantly changed with a lot more voices and it means that the loudest voices are going to be corporations and unions."

The case does not affect political action committees, which mushroomed after post-Watergate laws set the first limits on contributions by individuals to candidates. Corporations, unions and others may create PACs to contribute directly to candidates, but they must be funded with voluntary contributions from employees, members and other individuals, not by corporate or union treasuries.

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas joined Kennedy to form the majority in the main part of the case.

Roberts, in a separate opinion, said that upholding the limits would have restrained "the vibrant public discourse that is at the foundation of our democracy."

Stevens complained that those justices overreached by throwing out earlier Supreme Court decisions that had not been at issue when this case first came to the court.

"Essentially, five justices were unhappy with the limited nature of the case before us, so they changed the case to give themselves an opportunity to change the law," Stevens said.

The case began when a conservative group, Citizens United, made a 90-minute movie that was very critical of Hillary Rodham Clinton as she sought the Democratic presidential nomination. Citizens United wanted to air ads for the anti-Clinton movie and distribute it through video-on-demand services on local cable systems during the 2008 Democratic primary campaign.

But federal courts said the movie looked and sounded like a long campaign ad, and therefore should be regulated like one.

The movie was advertised on the Internet, sold on DVD and shown in a few theaters. Campaign regulations do not apply to DVDs, theaters or the Internet.

The court first heard arguments in March, then asked for another round of arguments about whether corporations and unions should be treated differently from individuals when it comes to campaign spending.

The justices convened in a special argument session in September, Sotomayor's first. The conservative justices gave every indication then that they were prepared to take the steps they did on Thursday.

The justices, with only Thomas in dissent, did uphold McCain-Feingold requirements that anyone spending money on political ads must disclose the names of contributors.






There goes pretty much any hope of the US getting out of this shithole.

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Posted on 01-22-10 06:55:06 PM Link | Quote
I pretty much thought the same thing ... Since most corporations will (obviously) support Republicans or any anti-tax candidate ... Corporations will take over the US. That is, unless Americans actually learn to vote! :specialed:

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Posted on 01-22-10 06:56:19 PM Link | Quote
Jesus christ forget your average joe EVER getting into office anymore. We're going to be 100% by corporations and their interests within 5 years.

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Posted on 01-22-10 06:57:52 PM Link | Quote

Well, that's that. The US is ended.

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Posted on 01-22-10 06:58:10 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by FieryIce
I pretty much thought the same thing ... Since most corporations will (obviously) support Republicans or any anti-tax candidate ... Corporations will take over the US. That is, unless Americans actually learn to vote! :specialed:

It doesn't matter if people vote if the only thing they hear is misinformation, and look how well that's worked. Death panels, taxes-r-bad crew, cut spending (even though that's the one thing that usually gets us out of recessions), etc, etc, etc.

Pretty soon dumb shit like Fox News will be obsolete. No need for them when you can just have Wal-Mart spending $billions to say how underhanded legal tactic to make more money at the expense of workers is perfectly fine, safe, and lets them have lower prices! Elect SomeRepresentitive today, he'll repeal them bad laws!

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Posted on 01-22-10 07:00:08 PM Link | Quote
Fuck.

That's seriously all that can be said at this point.

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Posted on 01-22-10 07:02:01 PM Link | Quote

Dear you fucks who passed this:

Stop smoking crack, and suck my balls, immediately.

I mean seriously. Why stop there? Throw away votes in general. Let's let the richest man be president. That makes a whole lot of fucking sense.

Everyone who signed the declaration is literally rolling in their graves right now. This is fucking bullshit.

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Posted on 01-22-10 07:02:58 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Originally posted by FieryIce
I pretty much thought the same thing ... Since most corporations will (obviously) support Republicans or any anti-tax candidate ... Corporations will take over the US. That is, unless Americans actually learn to vote! :specialed:

It doesn't matter if people vote if the only thing they hear is misinformation, and look how well that's worked. Death panels, taxes-r-bad crew, cut spending (even though that's the one thing that usually gets us out of recessions), etc, etc, etc.

Pretty soon dumb shit like Fox News will be obsolete. No need for them when you can just have Wal-Mart spending $billions to say how underhanded legal tactic to make more money at the expense of workers is perfectly fine, safe, and lets them have lower prices! Elect SomeRepresentitive today, he'll repeal them bad laws!


I know, I was totally pissed with all the death panels shit, and those town hall meetings were horrible... My hope is that democrats will pass a constitutional amendment and fix this as soon as possible ... Hopefully some Republicans will cooperate, I think I heard McCain say he was opposed to the ruling. Was it 30-something states that need to ratify a constitutional amendment for it to take effect? That seems pretty steep but possible...

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Posted on 01-22-10 07:31:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by FirePhoenix
Jesus christ forget your average joe EVER getting into office anymore.

Like they had a chance in the first place?

(no, Senator Obama was not "your average joe" either)

I don't know what to say about this besides to echo what everyone above me said. Christ what a bad decision.

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Originally posted by FirePhoenix
Jesus christ forget your average joe EVER getting into office anymore.

Like they had a chance in the first place?

(no, Senator Obama was not "your average joe" either)

I don't know what to say about this besides to echo what everyone above me said. Christ what a bad decision.

At least there was a slim chance before. Now there's none.

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Posted on 01-22-10 07:48:58 PM Link | Quote
Ugh.

As if the USA wasn't controlled enough by the rich conservatives. I wonder if eventually it will get so bad that I will be eligible for refugee status in another country that is closer to my socialist views.

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Actually, there's the thing. Way back in the Nixon era, a more or less 'average' joe, my grandfather, got into office.

Then he was given a choice: Sell out to corporations, or never be re-elected.

If it was like that then, then the only difference now is we know it's happening.

The US is essentially a corporate welfare state; the welfare of its people no longer matter. The Constitution has been interpreted to protect corporations as if they are people, and ultimately, sans something dramatic like country-wide protests, nothing is going to stop it from just turning back into turn-of-the-century slave-labor factory conditions.

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Posted on 01-23-10 06:02:53 AM Link | Quote
There goes any shred of hope I had left for the future. I hate this idiot-filled hellhole.

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