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Posted on 12-28-09 12:14:54 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Shadic
This is so infuriating. I know as an American I'm not one to talk... (Hey, I live in Washington/Oregon, we've got pretty good representatives here, aside from my local House Rep, who will likely be eliminated next primary season)

Erm, as I was saying. I'm not one to talk, but you guys have really, really shitty government officials. I'm pretty sure something like this would be killed off so hard in the US.

They lied to us at election time. The previous government had its own filtering regime: a local-machine based one which parents could voluntarily install, and which was shown to be circumvented easily by a kid within days.

Both the previous government and the new one have been pressured to "fix" that by implementing ISP-based filtering. At the time of the election, both parties claimed this would be also voluntary: it was only mandatory for ISPs to make it available, but you could choose not to use it.

This was a lie.

Then it was said there would be the ability to opt-out of the filter.

This was also a lie.

But no matter how unpopular this is it's not getting changed: the Australian Christian Lobby or whatever they're called is being a pain in the arse, and the Government probably thinks its better to appease them than to listen to the public: the public isn't as much of a pain in the arse at the moment.

Which is why anti-censorship protesters need to find a way to BE a pain in the arse. Protesting in the streets, and letter writing isn't enough: it won't dent the fear the government has of the Australian Christian Lobby.

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Posted on 12-28-09 07:03:38 PM (last edited by Schala at 12-28-09 04:08 PM) Link | Quote
Tarale, if it seems feasible at this point, you might want to consider leaving Australia until the political climate gets better in that country

You may want to consider moving to the UK or Canada, since at least they're more politically stable... hell, even the United States should be safe for now...

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Posted on 12-29-09 03:07:28 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Schala
Tarale, if it seems feasible at this point, you might want to consider leaving Australia until the political climate gets better in that country

You may want to consider moving to the UK or Canada, since at least they're more politically stable... hell, even the United States should be safe for now...


I'm currently under the poverty line: I've no way or means to move country.

In the meantime I have to work out how to defeat the Australian Christian Lobby.

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Posted on 12-29-09 03:11:05 AM Link | Quote
Australia has a lot of tangible benefits to living here anyhow, but we really just need to find a way to stop our politicians fellating the extremist bible thumpers :/

But that would mostly involve both sides of parliament being credible at the same time.
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Posted on 12-29-09 04:34:26 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Xenesis
…but we really just need to find a way to stop our politicians fellating the extremist bible thumpers :/

AAAUGHHHHHH!!

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Posted on 12-29-09 06:48:34 PM Link | Quote
Well, if you can't leave Australia... you might as well consider running for Parliament in the next election (sorry, I don't know shit about Australian elections... but they're probably similar to American elections?)

Who knows, you could actually change the course of the country for the upcoming years

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Posted on 12-30-09 12:30:35 AM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Schala
Well, if you can't leave Australia... you might as well consider running for Parliament in the next election (sorry, I don't know shit about Australian elections... but they're probably similar to American elections?)

Who knows, you could actually change the course of the country for the upcoming years

Uhhh yeah… um… no. I'm not politician material.

I'm too much of a wuss. I don't think I could stand all the semi-personal sledging that goes around in the political arena. I have enough problems with self-esteem as it is.

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Posted on 12-30-09 06:10:59 AM (last edited by Shadic at 12-30-09 03:11 AM) Link | Quote
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Posted on 12-30-09 06:29:36 AM Link | Quote

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It's still better in Australia--the ISP filter can probably be proxy'd around, while you can't proxy away health care failure in America.

Consider the difference in drasticness of being unable to see something because an idiot who isn't actually adhering to their own religion but is pretending to despite having probably not read the bible they're thumping dislikes it, to dying because some insurance people don't think ill people without money deserve to live.

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Posted on 12-30-09 12:45:24 PM Link | Quote
What Metal_Man88 said. *claps hands*

I'm an uninsured LGBT American, so I tend to care a great deal about health care reform and issues like same-sex marriage. I'm also opposed to censorship and religious nutcases taking over the government, which they're doing here too when they oppose SSM.

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Posted on 12-30-09 07:10:02 PM Link | Quote
Metal Man has certainly hit on one of the reasons I'll be living in Australia for the foreseeable future.
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Posted on 12-30-09 07:14:51 PM (last edited by Schala at 12-30-09 04:15 PM) Link | Quote
Yea... you can't proxy around health care problems or congressional problems, but you can proxy around governmental filtering

They'll eventually realize that people are using proxies to get around the filter... there's no stopping it, and they'll eventually realize that it fails and decide to abandon it

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Posted on 12-30-09 11:22:38 PM Link | Quote
"It's for the children" == "we think all parents are fucking idiots"

Really. Could you leave the children out of your arguments? I mean, why do governments need to act in place of parents? Granted, some parents are bad and what is taught to them shouldn't be random but, really, using kids to lobby is low. I don't really want to get into that too much (or else I'd be going into education, which seems to be screwed up in a few countries).

Ah, screw this. How is this in the best interests of children, might I ask? You're just not randomly stumble on pornography. I know, this might seem weird to say, but aside from the odd porn ads you'll find there and there, it's not gonna happen unless you look for it (besides, porn ads normally appear on adult themed websites). Second of all, despite what Christian extremists might think, the internet is the not the only way for a child to learn about sex or the like. Cities are full of sexually suggestive content, and you'll also have the odd kid who heard it from his parents (and shall share) or who might walked in on them. Honestly, I'd say that the later is a MUCH MUCH more traumatizing experience than stumbling on some website these people want blacklisted. Unless you're looking for wild stuff, the internet is pretty tame (unless you are looking for anime related stuff. you might be surprised then). Besides, if you're trying to protect children, why penalize the rest of the population? Currently, children from 0 to 14 represent 19.7% of the population in Australia. In other words, 4 out of 5 people are affected by a filter that mainly targets children. Really?

I am aware that they are not the only target with this. Actually, a quote pertaining to this caught my eyes (from the first article in the thread):

Senator Conroy says some internet content is simply not suitable in a civilised society.

Really? Did he really say that? I'm sorry, but some of these things are simply not illegal. This is simply marching on freedom of the people. I don't want to go into freedom too much, though.

Now, the filter itself: blocking child porn is good. Really is. However, along with that you HAVE to put more effort on catching the people that put them up. You can't just block it and say "lalala can't hear it, can't see it, it doesn't exist". I hope that won't be the case. Same with sites regarding criminal activities*. But the other kind of stuff (a.k.a porn) is just stupid.

*Kind of a grey area on this one. Information is good to have and is useful in lots of situations, even regarding criminal stuff. I hope they won't miss the target, at least.

As for blocking porn? I tried to be as clean as possible, but it's a bit hard to. Sooooooooooo..... when the people pushing this have tons of horny men that just want to relieve themselves on their hands, I don't think they'll like their decision.

It just seems a group has too much of power in Australia. There seems to be more and more censorship (like on games).

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Small note: bit hard for me to write calmly on this so this might be a little all over the place. If this happened in Canada, I'd light whoever's related to it on fire.

tl;dr: lol religion and politics; lol australia and oppressive censorship
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Posted on 12-31-09 01:54:19 AM Link | Quote
This is one of those times I'm actually glad I live in America. I'd still rather be in Sweden or Netherlands but, it's still good.

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On the other hand, it does make me glad I'm in America a tiny bit, but mostly just moves Australia even further off of the 'places to escape to from America' list I have.

The poisonous stuff down there already kinda freaked me out, so yeah. More likely to go to Norway or something. A good portion of my blood is related to there, a ways back.

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Posted on 01-08-10 03:06:08 AM Link | Quote

It makes me sad that this is becoming one of those "oh, I'm glad I don't have to live in Australia" issues. Australia has many very nice things going for it.

It is unfortunate that the Christian right have the power at the moment to impose such systems, and very sad that these systems are actually very anti-family and anti-child in the process: it won't achieve what they want it to.

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That's what you have to hope for, anyway, as when that happens, hopefully it'll turn rage against those people and help put them out of business government legislation-wise for a while.

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Posted on 02-02-10 04:02:29 AM Link | Quote
What's bad just got much, much worse.

Instant (and well deserved) shitstorm.
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Posted on 02-02-10 08:04:24 PM Link | Quote
Dammit, where's all the other countries who support free speech there when the civilians of another country need it?

Better yet, where's Google to threaten a pull-out?

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Posted on 02-02-10 09:25:24 PM (last edited by midori no kaze at 02-02-10 06:29 PM) Link | Quote
If I had the option to I would seriously kill every single person that supports this sort of thing!

No one has the right over another persons freedom in this sort of manner!

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