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chungy Member Level: 31 Posts: 28/174 EXP: 168444 For next: 16919 Since: 08-04-07 Since last post: 14.1 years Last activity: 13.9 years
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The problem with AJAX is that it's often improperly used.
Originally posted by Drag Me. |
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Kas Member Level: 28 Posts: 21/145 EXP: 128220 For next: 3118 Since: 07-28-07 From: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1.2 years Last activity: 1.2 years
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| It'll probably be as popular as frames are in five years time, or it will be properly regulated or replaced by Adobe and Microsoft's client-side technologies. The trouble is that most people are taking a scatter-gun approach with Ajax right now, and it's getting applied in ways that it's really not suited.
I certainly hope it gets replaced, I can't imaging writing half a site's source code in Javascript. That doesn't bare thinking about. |
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  DPP - [internet://board/post146.bit] - 08-20-07 02:55:38 PM  Originally posted by Xkeeper With flash and java being the other 1%? Yeah, I also leave javascript turned off and only a few sites with it on, which sadly is only four. Heh. ____________________  |
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Originally posted by Drag It's asynchronous. The page wouldn't need to be reloaded and the server having to re-send the entire (generated) page to the client. Just smaller updates can be sent. ____________________ generic signature Avatar Source | cgg | /proj/ | Tableless Layouts GO! |
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Originally posted by Metal_Man88 Does it come with an entirely unnecessary and extraneous "R"? Then it ain't Web 2.0, mister. >:[ |
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neotransotaku Member wonders why OSX does not come with their version of MSPaint? Level: 53 Posts: 1/603 EXP: 1084698 For next: 72421 Since: 08-24-07 From: The Landmark @ One Market Since last post: 2.6 years Last activity: 41 days
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| 95% of users (perhaps more) aren't going to disable JS, so majority of sites are safe. If users do disable javascript, hopefully such sites are smart enough to tell users that they need javascript to run their site instead of just having broken functionality.
The larger problem is the desire of the average internet user who wants slick interfaces, similar to the evolution of programs. Adding to the movement of increased AJAX is Adobe Flex, the web 2.0 replacement for Flash in my opinion. In order to return to Web1.0, internet bandwidth and processing needs to be as fasts as how fast our brain works, which I think is a very long way off. |
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chungy Member Level: 31 Posts: 44/174 EXP: 168444 For next: 16919 Since: 08-04-07 Since last post: 14.1 years Last activity: 13.9 years
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| Flex? Never heard of it.
Dammit, SVG was supposed to be the Flash-killer. |
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Rena I had one (1) message in Discord deleted and proceeded to make a huge, huge mess about how it was a violation of free speech and how moderators are supposed to be spam janitors and nobody should have the right to tell me not to talk about school shootings Level: 135 Posts: 766/5390 EXP: 29075660 For next: 259345 Since: 07-22-07 Pronouns: he/him/whatever From: RSP Segment 6 Since last post: 342 days Last activity: 342 days
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JL2 - Post #766 - 08-24-07 12:48:09 AM Day 32, rank 7; Level 28 (32.9%) 4988/15179 (121147/131338)
GPP: 237; GT: 46.577 People just don't use it right. There's no need to write an entire website that stays within one dynamically-loaded page. The idea is if you've ever been writing a script and wished you could grab the contents of another page, now you can. For example, to update information on the page or not require a refresh for every little change on a control panel. Not to download an entire page, wipe out the current one entirely, and just plop the new one in. There's no point except maybe it looks pretty because you can have a loading screen, and no competent programmer or web designer puts beauty before functionality (see also Xk's list of problems with this method). ____________________ Why you should never buy from Sony | The file Microsoft shut down my web site for How this layout should look | BSFree - Codes without the bullshit DS Homebrew | Hilarity | WTF | More hilarity | Free office suite | 7zip Thanks, Grey Mario and catgirl13.  |
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neotransotaku Member wonders why OSX does not come with their version of MSPaint? Level: 53 Posts: 2/603 EXP: 1084698 For next: 72421 Since: 08-24-07 From: The Landmark @ One Market Since last post: 2.6 years Last activity: 41 days
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Originally posted by Xkeeper AJAX isn't what doesn't break back/refresh/forward. It is the programmers who use it the wrong way. Or perhaps, didn't have enough usability studies to prevent them from using it the wrong way. My company makes use of AJAX to a certain extent. However, we have lots of usability studies to back up the look and feel of our product. If AJAX alters the user experience in a significant way, then it will be removed and redesigned. AJAX can be powerful, but it needs to be used the right way. @chungy, this is Adobe Flex. |
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neotransotaku Member wonders why OSX does not come with their version of MSPaint? Level: 53 Posts: 3/603 EXP: 1084698 For next: 72421 Since: 08-24-07 From: The Landmark @ One Market Since last post: 2.6 years Last activity: 41 days
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| Yeah, I think many of the "abuses" of AJAX is done by sites that really didn't take the user into perspective, or they aren't really offering a service. Because I think the places that do AJAX correctly are places that are offering some type of service to the user. Google offers a service. So the AJAX they need to do that right. However, the people who manage the adult swim website isn't offering a service. They are going to still make money anyways. |
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Kas Member Level: 28 Posts: 27/145 EXP: 128220 For next: 3118 Since: 07-28-07 From: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1.2 years Last activity: 1.2 years
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Originally posted by neotransotakuOriginally posted by Xkeeper Absolutely, I think I remember a Digg engineer claiming that the new commenting systems introduced as much Javascript code as PHP. That's really frightening. Javascript was never meant to build enitre interfaces, using it to do so is a hacky solution whichever way you look at it. Frameworks like JQuery make it tolerable and workable, but Javascript is aging and was designed for an internet where text and images were the height of your concerns. Citing separation of concerns and modularity is stupid as well, especially when some people are quick to ignore the essential back / forward / refresh mechanisms. Incidentally, there is a solution to the back/forward/refresh issue, but it's another hacky fix. Using hidden iFrames, you can still have traditional browser navigation in the background. If you're a professional software engineer, you really shouldn't be considering this kind of design, regardless of what it can do. If you really can't do without a more dynamic design, you should be using Flash instead. The usability of some pieces of AJAX software are neglected in favour for eye-candy and silly toys. There is a time and a place for AJAX, but it's in small, neat touches for the classic webapp format. |
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