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Posted on 01-04-10 02:33:45 AM

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I'd go with C/C++ and PHP. Java is much too picky about rules and such for me, although I've used it a lot for school. Maybe I should try Python sometime

Old BASICs were good for their time, but tended to be too slow, and Pascal is just weird for someone more used to C and C++.

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Posted on 01-04-10 02:51:13 AM

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PHP.

Primarily because I know absolutely nothing about any of the other programming languages on the list. I'm not even that good at PHP.

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Posted on 01-04-10 03:11:07 AM

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Originally posted by Terra
Maybe I should try Python sometime

Python is fun! You should try it

It's pretty easy to learn but it's powerful because of all the libraries you can use with it. You can make command line stuff easily with the built-in modules and nothing else. Py2exe lets you compile scripts to standalone executables. PyQt4 (and wxPython, PyGTK and others) let you create full GUI apps. Django, Web.py and other frameworks let you make web apps with it.

Of course, not all of that stuff is useful for everyone but it still shows how flexible the language is

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Posted on 01-04-10 03:18:51 AM

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All I've done lately is C/C++ and PHP, and it's a bit hard to pick a favorite between them when they're (usually) not used for the same thing ...

I'd probably go with C since I can actually make programs, and then waste my time over-optimizing them

(like fitting a MIDI player, complete with graphical display, into 20k)

But PHP can also run in commandline, so I tend to use that for easier coding (or using MySQL) when I don't really need high performance ... and of course I use it for web scripting as well

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Posted on 01-04-10 03:20:13 AM

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Originally posted by Milly
All I've done lately is C/C++ and PHP, and it's a bit hard to pick a favorite between them when they're (usually) not used for the same thing ...

I'd probably go with C since I can actually make programs, and then waste my time over-optimizing them (like fitting a MIDI player, complete with graphical display, into 20k)

But PHP can also run in commandline, so I tend to use that for easier coding (or using MySQL) when I don't really need high performance ... and of course I use it for web scripting as well

Coding simple stuff in C/C++ is fun for me, but I find it hard to write larger apps in it (Especially GUI stuff) because I get bogged down in memory allocation and OOP (more so for Qt) and all that crap. I wish I was better at it though, it's the one main thing in programming I really wish I could do.

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C♯, PHP, and Ruby are my favourite programming languages.

PHP because it can be used on virtually any server, C♯ because it's pretty much a way better version of VB.NET (syntax wise, i++ ftw!), and Ruby because it's just... awesome. And plus I can use it to program my IRC scripts (as some Julers know.)

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Posted on 01-04-10 03:42:25 AM

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Oh wow, I totally forgot about Ruby when I was making the poll.

I've seen some code examples before, but the syntax seems pretty weird which drives me away from it. Although I thought that about Python as well at first.. maybe I should try Ruby out some day.

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Posted on 01-04-10 03:46:30 AM (last edited by VL-Tone at 01-04-10 12:47 AM)

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As you might have guessed, my favourite programming language is Lingo (Adobe Director's scripting language) which I used to make TT64. I won't say it's the best/most powerful, but it's the one I know best.

What I like about it is how little initialization I have to do for my code, and how I don't have to care about memory management. I also love how I have access to relatively powerful 3d API's (again with much less initialization code than directly dealing with OpenGL) and can easily manipulate bitmaps offscreen, and on-screen, as "sprites". You can layout your interface directly on the screen using GUI tools and then control each item via scripting.

Of course it has its caveats. Aside from being expensive and closed-source, it's also neglected by Adobe. Also, you can't really deal with real OS-native widgets, and create things like custom dialog boxes. For example I had to code almost from scratch a scrolling text field widget because of limitations of the built-in ones. It's also much slower than C/C++.

I would love to learn more C/C++, but at this point, recoding TT64 in C/C++ would be too much work for me.

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Posted on 01-04-10 03:48:26 AM

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How does Lingo work anyway? I always thought it was one of those trigger/event/action drag-and-drop type scripting languages (Which are very simplistic and need a special UI to edit code in) but I don't think something like TT64 would be doable at all in one of those.

I guess I'm probably totally wrong

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Posted on 01-04-10 04:10:19 AM

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*votes I'm not a coder!

Yea...I'm going to leave this thread now.

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Posted on 01-04-10 04:57:03 AM

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I can’t stand to code in PHP anymore. Its terrible Unicode support alone is reason enough to run far, far away, and that’s not even the only one.

I guess I like C. Unlike many languages it is simple, well‐documented, and widely used; basically assembly but much faster to write.

Unfortunately C++ is a big slow beast compared to C (e.g. templates, merely by being in the language, cause compile times to increase dramatically).

I haven’t gotten around to learning Javascript yet, but Javascript: The Good Parts makes it sound quite nice.

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Posted on 01-04-10 05:05:51 AM

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I know a bit of Basic and PHP, but those were "it's all I have to work with" kind of things.

The language I can really wrap my mind around is assembly. I've done very little with it, however. (Mostly lack of things I actually want to do.)

I should learn Python, considering how useful it seems to be. (Multiplatform GUI programming go!)

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Posted on 01-04-10 05:14:54 AM

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Originally posted by Treeki
How does Lingo work anyway? I always thought it was one of those trigger/event/action drag-and-drop type scripting languages (Which are very simplistic and need a special UI to edit code in) but I don't think something like TT64 would be doable at all in one of those.

I guess I'm probably totally wrong

Well you are almost totally wrong

While Director comes with a small "Library" of buttons and "behaviors" that you can drag and drop, and it's possible to do simple stuff (like interactive animation) without writing a single line of code, Lingo is a full-featured programming language with hundreds of commands/functions, you can even do OOP with it.

Here's what Lingo looks like, but it's just a small example, you can do much more complex things with it.

on mariopal

  global source,filepath,mariocolz,colnum

  

  --Set currently edited color variable to 1

  colnum=1 

  

  --Reopen the ROM

  source=bagetfile (filepath,"rw")   

  

  --Load 144 bytes from bank 54 (Mario's bank)

  listo=loadlistdec (54,0,144)  

  

  --Create a blank bitmap instance

  canvas=image (16*6,16*6,32)  

  

  --Create an empty list variable (global) to hold current Mario palette.

  mariocolz=[]    

  

  --Reclose the ROM

  baclosefile (source)   

  

  --Initialize color position variable

  cpos=1      

 

  --Set variable tile to a black bitmap square 

  tile=member ("paltile").image     

  

  --Set the source rectangle

  srex=tile.rect    

  

  --Loop through 36 colors

  repeat with i=0 to 35   

    

    --Set the x and y positions for the palette bitmap

    x=(i mod 6)*16    

    y=(i / 6)*16

   

    --Create a color variable containing R, G and B   

    col=rgb (listo[cpos],listo[cpos+1],listo[cpos+2])    

    

    --Add the color to the palette list variable

    add mariocolz,col  

   

 	--Set the destination rectangle for the tile in the palette bitmap  

    drex= rect (x,y,x+16,y+16)  

    

    --Copy the tile in the palette bitmap, colorizing with variable "col"

    canvas.copyPixels(tile, drex, srex, [#ink:0,#color:col])    

    

     --Increment the color position

    cpos=cpos+4     

  end repeat

 

  --Set the content of image member to canvas. 

  member ("mariopal").image=canvas    



  --Call the custom "editcolor" handle to reset editing position in interface.

  editcolor colnum      

end

This is a simple routine that loads Mario's palette from the ROM, then draw the palette bitmap.

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Posted on 01-04-10 10:04:46 AM

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Originally posted by VL-Tone
Originally posted by Treeki
How does Lingo work anyway? I always thought it was one of those trigger/event/action drag-and-drop type scripting languages (Which are very simplistic and need a special UI to edit code in) but I don't think something like TT64 would be doable at all in one of those.

I guess I'm probably totally wrong

Well you are almost totally wrong

Now I wish I could remember -where- I got that idea from. I think I saw an old screenshot of Director once (at least 6-7 years ago?) and I saw an interface like that, so for some reason I thought that Lingo (and Director in its entirety) worked like that.

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Posted on 01-04-10 11:30:47 AM

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PHP but only because of the fact I don't have to be converting variables through datatypes just to do simple stuff... Then C# would be my favorite, I like how the code looks after you're done xP

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PHP: It's my favorite for doing Web-bases stuff, as well as hacking together a quick CLI script to do something. I like it because of all the global functions you can just use; it's just so handy to be able to use (albeit inconsistently named) functions without importing them first.

C#: Favorite for doing GUI stuff on Windows. Super easy to make interfaces, and the language itself is a lot like Java.

Python, for me, falls between PHP and C# in terms of things I like to do with it. I'm not as familiar with it yet, so I still prefer PHP for throwing a quick script together, but it's definitely replaced Java as my preferred language for doing command-line CLI (and cross-platform GUI) programs that would benefit from OOP, since PHP's object system was quite obviously hacked on as an afterthought.

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Originally posted by OoBurns
PHP: It's my favorite for doing Web-bases stuff, as well as hacking together a quick CLI script to do something. I like it because of all the global functions you can just use; it's just so handy to be able to use (albeit inconsistently named) functions without importing them first.

I agree, the global functions are useful. The naming sucks though, and for some reason I can never remember the parameters for functions. I love the PHP manual shortcut though: www.php.net/functionname

Originally posted by OoBurns
C#: Favorite for doing GUI stuff on Windows. Super easy to make interfaces, and the language itself is a lot like Java.

I used to be the same way, but Windows Forms gets really limiting sometimes. Now that I've used PyQt4 I don't think I'll go back to WinForms.

Originally posted by OoBurns
Python, for me, falls between PHP and C# in terms of things I like to do with it. I'm not as familiar with it yet, so I still prefer PHP for throwing a quick script together, but it's definitely replaced Java as my preferred language for doing command-line CLI (and cross-platform GUI) programs that would benefit from OOP, since PHP's object system was quite obviously hacked on as an afterthought.

Just wondering, what toolkit do you use for GUI stuff in Python?

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I wish I knew how to do GUI apps. The computer science programme here only teaches us command-line stuff of the style that people could do back in the '70s

I eventually got a mini-class on it, but it was from someone at the school who barely knew English, and I didn't know any Arabic, so I didn't learn much.

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