Jul -- News: Yeah, we don't need health care reform.

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Posted on 12-11-09 12:29:49 AM

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Posted on 12-12-09 12:58:20 AM

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Well yes. My Mom's doctor helped her even though we didn't have a ton of money. He could have been like the stereotypical ones and demanded big buck$$, but he didn't.

Still, that won't help any of us if we get a life threatening condition. It's beyond what any one doctor could do without risking getting fired or having to pay for it themselves. Due to HMOs and all.

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Posted on 12-20-09 08:42:59 PM

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Originally posted by Metal_Man88
If I get deathly ill, with my lack of money, I'm probably best off going on a crime spree--

They might bother to keep me alive long enough to see trial, while with my lack of money or healthcare, I might as well kiss my life goodbye otherwise.

Don't you dare do it, but I'm gonna tell you this anyways, because I *know* you're all gonna love it.

Due to certain moral grounds, inmates on Death Row cannot be executed unless they are of sound health. That said, inmates who become ill must first be taken care of and have fully healed before they can be killed.

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Posted on 12-20-09 09:00:29 PM

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Universal Healthcare is a very touchy subject. On one hand, you're outsourcing the potential business that Health Insurance companies have to the Government. On the other hand, you're ensuring that everyone gets adequate health care.

Let's take an example the government LOVE to use.

In Canada, you and a dog can both break your legs. One gets quick responsive medical treatment, an x-ray with its results the next day, a cast on it, and minute medical bill. The other has to make an appointment, spend three weeks waiting for the doctor to get around to him, take an X-Ray that can take up to a month to get read, get a splint/cast on it, and pay a considerably amount for the medication.

The dog is the first one.

NOW! You're going to say 'God that's aweful, how can Canada do that?' So let me explain. Canada's medical field is severely understaffed to the point where there's 1 doctor for every 100 patience in the LEAST populated areas. The government blames it on the 'universal health care'. However, the truth is the Canadian schools simply do not promote the medical industry.

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Posted on 12-20-09 09:15:56 PM

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It's nice that you are able to provide such analogies, but given that you're in South Carolina and not Canada it's a bit hard to believe.

In fact, most stories I've heard of the Canadian health care system are actually fairly decent.

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Posted on 12-20-09 09:46:28 PM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
It's nice that you are able to provide such analogies, but given that you're in South Carolina and not Canada it's a bit hard to believe.

In fact, most stories I've heard of the Canadian health care system are actually fairly decent.

I have a friend who's a surgeon in Ontario. I also have an Ex-Boyfriend in Ontario ...

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Posted on 12-21-09 12:52:02 AM

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I can't say for all of Canada, but what Hintetsomaru said would be right for Quebec, in the very least.

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Posted on 12-23-09 11:24:51 PM

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Originally posted by Hintetsomaru
Universal Healthcare is a very touchy subject. On one hand, you're outsourcing the potential business that Health Insurance companies have to the Government. On the other hand, you're ensuring that everyone gets adequate health care.

Let's take an example the government LOVE to use.

In Canada, you and a dog can both break your legs. One gets quick responsive medical treatment, an x-ray with its results the next day, a cast on it, and minute medical bill. The other has to make an appointment, spend three weeks waiting for the doctor to get around to him, take an X-Ray that can take up to a month to get read, get a splint/cast on it, and pay a considerably amount for the medication.

The dog is the first one.

NOW! You're going to say 'God that's aweful, how can Canada do that?' So let me explain. Canada's medical field is severely understaffed to the point where there's 1 doctor for every 100 patience in the LEAST populated areas. The government blames it on the 'universal health care'. However, the truth is the Canadian schools simply do not promote the medical industry.

So what? Under the current American system, my broken leg would possibly bankrupt my entire family and make us homeless.

I'd be envious of that person who has to wait in line, thank you very much.

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Posted on 12-24-09 02:59:56 AM (last edited by Kles at 12-24-09 12:00 AM)

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Originally posted by Hintetsomaru
The other has to make an appointment, spend three weeks waiting for the doctor to get around to him, take an X-Ray that can take up to a month to get read, get a splint/cast on it, and pay a considerably amount for the medication.

Bullshit. I've never known a person who had to wait for anymore than two weeks to get seen for anything. If you have an immediate and pressing issue, such as a broken leg, you can get all the work done and be on crutches, have a cast, and have the medication (which you are not paying for) within three days. I've seen many people get treatment very quickly. I've also personally experienced nothing but fast and affordable (usually free) medical care.

Besides, even if what you were saying were true, it's still a marked step up from the USA's insane system.

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Posted on 12-24-09 03:38:47 AM

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Australia's not TOO bad as far as these things go. To go with the broken leg thing, I know if I were to break my leg I would be back home with a cast and medication by the day's end, and without a massive bill to show for it.

It's where you get into elective surgery, specialists, and long-term health conditions that our system starts to get a bit frustrating. If you require an elective surgery, waiting times can be quite long, and private surgery costs a lot of money. Finding specialists can also be difficult: we just don't seem to have enough of certain types of specialists, like psychiatrists, that you can go see, and costs for seeing them are high.

Our system is far from perfect, but if we're going with the emergency-room scenario, I feel confident that if I were to hurt myself badly, I would be attended to quickly and without breaking my bank.

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Posted on 12-25-09 09:43:04 PM (last edited by Friend2.0 at 12-25-09 06:45 PM)

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You must also consider the ordeal the mentally ill go through with getting insurance to pay for their medications. I fully support universal health care because it would save me from being dropped from my parents insurance when I turn 23. Without insurance it would be near impossible to pay for all the medications I am on, universal health care would quite literally save my future...

Of course since Bipolarity counts as a pre-existing condition there would be no way in hell I would be able to get insurance...

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Posted on 12-25-09 11:30:23 PM

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Originally posted by Kles

Bullshit. I've never known a person who had to wait for anymore than two weeks to get seen for anything. If you have an immediate and pressing issue, such as a broken leg, you can get all the work done and be on crutches, have a cast, and have the medication (which you are not paying for) within three days. I've seen many people get treatment very quickly. I've also personally experienced nothing but fast and affordable (usually free) medical care.

Besides, even if what you were saying were true, it's still a marked step up from the USA's insane system.

Just highlighting the tale the US likes to use. I know it's about as real as my grandmother's boyfriend.

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Posted on 12-30-09 11:29:37 PM

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Originally posted by Kles
Originally posted by Hintetsomaru
The other has to make an appointment, spend three weeks waiting for the doctor to get around to him, take an X-Ray that can take up to a month to get read, get a splint/cast on it, and pay a considerably amount for the medication.

Bullshit. I've never known a person who had to wait for anymore than two weeks to get seen for anything. If you have an immediate and pressing issue, such as a broken leg, you can get all the work done and be on crutches, have a cast, and have the medication (which you are not paying for) within three days. I've seen many people get treatment very quickly. I've also personally experienced nothing but fast and affordable (usually free) medical care.

Once again, might I state that it's not all of Canada?

Québec's health care system is stuck 40 years in the past (like tons of stuff here).

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