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Posted on 11-23-09 03:36:12 PM (last edited by Terra at 11-23-09 12:38 PM) Link | Quote
Like the thread about impossible trophies or achievements, but this time with getting 100% completion in any game for any system or computer

Some The Legend of Zelda games are like this. Especially Minish Cap. First, there are the 100 Kinstone fusions. By the end of the game I'm usually swimming in Kinstones, even the rarer red and blue ones, but it's hard to track down every last fuseable character with all the areas in the game that have various NPCs. Although at least most of those do something, even just give you a few more rupees, although sometimes you just get another Kinstone that you already have 20 of by now.

Still, that's better than the figurine thing. You have to spend those Mysterious Shells that have no other use in the game and are rather expensive after the easy sources are gone, then watch a lengthy animation (actually only a few seconds, but multiply that by how many times you have to sit through it), and then you probably got a duplicate figurine unless you spent a lot of shells. By the late game, you end up spending 50 shells a pop just for a 50% chance at getting a figurine, or you can spend 1 at a time for only a 1% chance, for the truly insane. Did I mention how many you have to get? One hundred and thirty-six. Sometimes I feel like I spend half the game doing this over and over, all for 1 lousy heart piece (and a bit of less important stuff).

The Oracles are about as annoying in that regard, because collecting all 64 rings is so random. I'm starting to think that getting the Green Ring is about as likely as winning the Mega Millions jackpot on $1 a week. Not to mention collecting 10000 rupees for that Wealth Ring. Even getting all the heart pieces is annoying because of the randomness of Maple encounters and Gasha Seeds.

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Posted on 11-23-09 05:04:36 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Terra
collecting all 64 rings
:spitdrink:
You're kidding, right? Unless there's something I don't know about that allows you to play the Master Cave in both games with the same general save file, this is supposed to be impossible.
I mean really now...if you play Ages first, then you only get a Master Cave in Seasons because the code you get when you beat Seasons only carries over to Ages, not back over to Seasons for a replay from there. (And you don't get a code for beating Ganon the second time, either.) And sure it's all random, but for some reason playing things on an emulated system seems to make me have something against 'grinding', so to speak.
Relay: I used to be able to constantly farm Gasha Seeds when I owned the two game carts, but if I try to do it emulated now I just don't feel like doing it the same way I used to. (Also wealth ring came easily for some reason. Probably because I like to dig for 100s and tend to buy random rings when I can.)

I did manage to 100% Bloodstar's Link to the Shadows ZC quest last month, but I think I overreacted about it in my post. Somehow, when I go back to think about it, was it really that hard to do? (Well if you don't know about some of the secret stuff, I suppose it was. Never saw the fire spot in L5 before Eppy's video shown where it was. Would've missed that HC otherwise.)

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Posted on 11-23-09 06:39:10 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Madman200
You're kidding, right? Unless there's something I don't know about that allows you to play the Master Cave in both games with the same general save file, this is supposed to be impossible.


I thought you could transfer rings to a new game started with the Hero's Secret, or is that not possible?

Like, say start with Seasons, then link normally to Ages. Then, get the Hero's Secret and start a new Ages game, then link to Seasons. I'm not sure if you can transfer rings from the linked Ages to the Hero's Secret Ages, to be honest, but I thought you could.

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Posted on 11-23-09 07:21:16 PM Link | Quote
SHINKANSEEEEEEEEN!!

all for 1 lousy heart piece
WHAT
THAT'S the heart piece I was missing?!
If you didn't know, I tend to miss a single heart piece in every Zelda game for a very long time. I have no idea why it happens. I literally [trope]TryEverything[/trope] SEVERAL times. (Or rather, everything minimally coherent. See that heart piece randomly thrown into a pool of water in Link's Awakening.)

Also the problem with fusing kinstones is that those that become [trope]LostForever[/trope] ask you for stones you don't have until a few minutes later when you find a thousand.

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Posted on 11-23-09 07:29:37 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Reimu
(See that heart piece randomly thrown into a pool of water in Link's Awakening.)

There are actually two of those, but one of them at least makes some sense.

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Posted on 11-23-09 07:39:35 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Reimu
Also the problem with fusing kinstones is that those that become [trope]LostForever[/trope] ask you for stones you don't have until a few minutes later when you find a thousand.


There's a trope tag? Wow, Jul does have everything

And one time I played this, like 5 people wanted to fuse with the red triangular piece I didn't have. Then, I fused with 1 and nobody else wanted to fuse. I guess they were sharing their single stone when I was elsewhere

It was hard for me to get 96 goals in SMW, because of a few troublesome ones like the 2nd Cheese Bridge exit. (Of course, some people thought there were 100 goals)


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Posted on 11-23-09 08:52:50 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Terra
Like, say start with Seasons, then link normally to Ages. Then, get the Hero's Secret and start a new Ages game, then link to Seasons.
If that works then this is the first I've heard of it. Shows that my experience may or may not be flawed.
But I did get a lot of the rings when I did play. It's just that...the ones where you 'become' something else, those should have been more than decorational. Think about it.

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Posted on 11-23-09 11:21:37 PM Link | Quote
SHINKANSEEEEEEEEN!!

Originally posted by Madman200
the ones where you 'become' something else, those should have been more than decorational. Think about it.

The enemies you become won't attack you unless you run into them (or they run into you due to their then random and umpredictable movement). No idea why you can become a Subrosian, though.

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Posted on 11-24-09 12:41:04 AM Link | Quote
How about the Gran Turismo games?

I mean, they're great games... but to get 100%? Good luck. That means winning EVERY single cup and buying EVERY single vehicle; and some versions of Gran Turismo 2 had a bug which meant you could only get 98.2% completion!

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Posted on 11-24-09 12:18:02 PM Link | Quote
F-ZERO GX

I got all the tracks, but I can't beat all of story and get the rest of the pilot profiles :[

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Posted on 11-24-09 02:02:06 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Eppy37
F-ZERO GX

I got all the tracks, but I can't beat all of story and get the rest of the pilot profiles :[

I didn't even know there was a Diamond cup until we finally beat the Emerald Cup the third time earlier this year. Weren't we surprised!

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Posted on 11-24-09 02:38:54 PM Link | Quote
And then there's the AX cup...

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Posted on 11-25-09 01:02:17 AM Link | Quote
AX Cup is easy though!

Grand Prix in GX isn't too difficult to beat on all master, but getting all the pilot videos and finishing all the Story on Very Hard? Ugh.

Modern gaming has killed a lot of my desire for completionism though, the last game I 100%ed was Aquaria but that's a fun little indie game.
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Posted on 11-26-09 04:42:19 AM Link | Quote
Prinny.

Once I've beaten all the bosses (still need to download the extra stages), I'm done. Not even gonna bother getting all the awards.

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Posted on 11-26-09 01:04:05 PM (last edited by Exate at 11-26-09 10:04 AM) Link | Quote
Terra: Zelda games are pretty much the most tedious ones in regards to total completion. Can't say I agree with you, though, as I happen to be very patient with things like that if the game warrants my attention for a long time. I can understand how irritating it must be, though.

As Eppy mentioned, one example of a difficult-to-100%-game is F-Zero GX, in which I was constantly swearing and showering my controller with sweat for several hours due to the story mode chapters on very hard. In the long run, I ended up ridiculously good at the game, and went on to complete Master mode with every racer to unlock their videos in the pilot profiles.

Whether I 100%d GX is debatable, as I left three or so staff ghosts unbeaten, and I never obtained the bahamut custom parts (because you need to use your memory card with an AX arcade machine to get those ones, and no machine is anywhere near where I live!). Regardless, it was a challenge that I actually enjoyed, and I'd be willing to experience it again should there be another F-Zero just as difficult.

Another tough game to complete is any one of the Mega Man Battle Networks. I only ever 100%d 3 and 6, although the latter was nothing compared to the former. Owning the white version, and a friend owning the blue, we collaborated for hours on end 'til we destroyed the damn things. The challenge came with obtaining the V4 chips of the navis using the custom style, and then battling the omega iterations of the super bosses. It still brings me joy to this day to turn on the game and see all those stars on the title screen.

As for difficult games that I never completed...
...Mega Man 9. Once I saw the "never get hit" challenge, I stopped bothering.


And Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia. Any person that can beat this game on hard mode with the lvl1 cap can pretty much deem what they did as a legitimate master run on a backloggery. In fact, to call it hard mode is an understatement in comparison to normal--it would have been better-titled as "asian mode".

I can't think of anything else at the moment, although I'm pretty sure there are at least a few other games in my library that are noteworthy of mention.

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Posted on 11-26-09 05:58:43 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Exate
And Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia. Any person that can beat this game on hard mode with the lvl1 cap can pretty much deem what they did as a legitimate master run on a backloggery. In fact, to call it hard mode is an understatement in comparison to normal--it would have been better-titled as "asian mode".
I...-think- I did that...not sure, I did go through the game with cheats less than one month after release (don't hit me). I know I went on to clear the normal mode from a fresh file without cheating, but whether or not I did that on Hard Lv.1, I don't remember. I'll have to try again at some point, but with skill deterioration at hand, I'll be spending some time on that. (Did get all the boss medals at least twice each however, so at least I have that.)
(Side note, Hard Lv1 on Portrait of Ruin is a joke. Master your favorite subweapons and get Ancient Armor before starting this mode, and you're set. Easy shit.)

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Posted on 11-26-09 08:50:24 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Exate
Whether I 100%d GX is debatable, as I left three or so staff ghosts unbeaten


Well, that's not 100% is it? It's more like 98%

But yeah, getting stuff external to the game that is based on your locality in the world doesn't really count.
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