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i wish someone would go burn all the red tape in washington. 
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Me too  Sometimes, the US government goes at the speed of a snail 
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Originally posted by Xkeeper
No, because then milk won't come in 3.78 L jugs any more
Other than a few exceptions (I'd rather say miles than kilometers, and have litered containers), I'd be for a dual system. I don't want to fully convert, but it would be nice for the metric system to be there for once.
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It really does take time to adapt I guess. For exemple, here it's pretty much dual and older people tend to still go by the imperial system (i.e looking at the stuff at the supermarket. Our system displays stuff in Kg on the computer, but it's written in both in the store. We still have tons of people who go "wasn't this $0.99/Lb?" and you always have to answer "yes it is, but our computer displays it in Kg, which means $2.18/Kg")
Kinda annoying, to be honest.
But yeah, I've worked with both, and I muchhhhhhhhh prefer the metric system. I mean shit. We generally work in base 10 in real life (for pretty much everything), why change it for units? |
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I guess I should have had an additional option of "Use both systems" A lot of things are marked in US and metric though, like container sizes.
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Originally posted by ⑨
No, No, HELLLLLLLLLLLL NO. I can't stand the Metric Scale at all.
Don't be selfish. Attitudes like this stop the USA from adopting a scale which is, for all intents and purposes, better than an extremely awkward and arbitrary one like imperial. Just because you have it memorized how many feet are in six miles doesn't mean that it's not still a cumbersome calculation, one that is prone to errors in conversion. The fewer Chinese telephone games we have to play, the better. |
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Nah, I'm fine with it. It's unique.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Originally posted by Tanks
Nah, I'm fine with it. It's unique.
Rule of thumb: Don't use your thumb as a rule. The lines are all wonky and you might hit it with a hammer.
Of course, there are exceptions, but usually practicality outweighs novelty.
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We're the US. We're never practical. 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Originally posted by Tanks
We're the US. We're never practical.
So it's a problem if we start trying to be, you know, up to par with the rest of the world?
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| Posted on 10-04-09 01:17:10 AM (last edited by Tanks at 10-03-09 10:18 PM) |
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Maybe the world needs to adopt our standard? Then there wouldn't be an issue.
The basic argument is the world is the majority here so we should do metric as well. I see no reason for not keeping the US system at all as it has worked fine for everyone here for centuries. The only people who seem to be complaining are a few Americans who think we're barbarians for not 'living up to the world's standards.'
(Ok, enough of me being an ass. Let's get some details now.)
Temp:
F beats out C any day as F is more acclimated to the earth's temperature as perceived by the human body. Sure, C works for science as it nails the boiling point of water, but with F you hear 100 degrees and you know it's fucking hot out. 38 degrees C? That just doesn't fit too well and it seems the average temp would be ~7-8 C. F just works better domestically.
Length:
We have a system based on 12s. That's not too hard figure out. Though I must admit, the metric system does seem much more practical here. Unfortunately, American culture can't permit a change as the inch, foot, and yard are too ingrained into pop culture. The switch here would be rather tough to do as it would affect several sports and their current facilities.
Obviously, metric would win out here against the mile, but ehhh... Really, it's just comes down to tradition when it comes to length. Obviously it's not a good enough reason for most, but I have no issue with it.
Food/Liquid Measurements:
The preferred standard for chefs is actually the American/UK measurement system. (They're fairly similar, but the US' version sets the amounts slightly less to that of the UK system) There's not much to say here really...
The gallon should remain as well. Economically, the switch to the metric would mean the milk producers would demand the same amount of money for less milk being sold. Same goes for gas and any other marketed liquid.
24 hour system:
Bah. Might as well mention it. We have it. It's just split in two. D:
Over all, I think a mixture would work, (heck, I've been swimming 25m and 25yrd pools for years now...) but enforcing the entire system in the US would just isn't worth the time or effort of the government. So, really, keeping it the way it is is fine with me.
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| Posted on 10-04-09 01:25:10 AM (last edited by Sukasa at 10-03-09 10:25 PM) |
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Originally posted by Tanks
Length:
We have a system based on 12s. That's not too hard figure out. Though I must admit, the metric system does seem much more practical here. Unfortunately, American culture can't permit a change as the inch, foot, and yard are too ingrained into pop culture. The switch here would be rather tough to do as it would affect several sports and their current facilities.
A whole system? Last I checked, the only such relationship was 12 inches to a foot. There is no unit equal to 1/12 of an inch or 12 feet, etc. As Acmlm said, it's a system based on 12, then 3, then 1760.
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Originally posted by Sukasa
Knowing that 100F is "fucking hot" is as arbitrary as knowing 38°C is "fucking hot".
No, I mean... 100 is a one of those good numbers. You know? It's 10s based and all that. It just fits better with the climate than 38 does. F holds its extreme temperatures to much more understandable numbers than C does.
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Originally posted by Tanks
The gallon should remain as well. Economically, the switch to the metric would mean the milk producers would demand the same amount of money for less milk being sold. Same goes for gas and any other marketed liquid.
That's why they change the price.
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| Posted on 10-04-09 02:12:34 AM (last edited by Okuu at 10-03-09 11:14 PM) |
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Originally posted by Tanks
Temp:
F beats out C any day as F is more acclimated to the earth's temperature as perceived by the human body. Sure, C works for science as it nails the boiling point of water, but with F you hear 100 degrees and you know it's fucking hot out. 38 degrees C? That just doesn't fit too well and it seems the average temp would be ~7-8 C. F just works better domestically.
You know 100 is hot becouse you are used to it. I hear that and don't know what it means besides "humans don't burn up".
I find it easier to think that when the temperature gets closer to 40 is hot and below 0 is cold, than to mentally compare very distant numbers with a reference point at 32.
Also knowing 100C is the boiling point of water is useful for things you really want to keep accurate temperatures of (thinking of the accurate temperature just to see if it's hot is like killing a fly with a rocket launcher, so 100F is useless for that), like say, cooking. Actually Celsius is good for more accurate temperatures, so it works better domestically.
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 At least for colder weather like here, it's centered better (around 0) in °C than °F ... like it ranges from about -30 to 30 (instead of -20 to 90), and negative simply means it's cold enough for snow (instead of comparing with 32) 
And I don't see where price/volume changes would be a problem, we have plenty of things in imperial based volumes but shown as metric (like 355ml = 3/32 gallon, 1.5 pint or 12 fl oz), and gas is priced per liter just fine (more expensive here sure, but not because of units).
Imperial isn't base 12 either, or even multiples of 3 ... fractions of inches usually go by powers of 2, and so do other things like 8 pints in a gallon or 16 fl oz in a pint, and don't ask why a mile is 1760 yards (16*110)
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Originally posted by Tanks
No, I mean... 100 is a one of those good numbers. You know? It's 10s based and all that.
Oh my God, you know what else is 10s based? THE FUCKING METRIC SYSTEM!
Seriously, your entire argument is little more than saying "well, I like it, so fuck the world and any actual benefits it might have. I don't want to learn a new system, so therefore everyone must learn mine because the whole world revolves around me and the U.S."
I might even actually agree with you about our system if you would actually back your argument up with something tangible rather than "well, Fahrenheit sounds better because I grew up using it my whole damn life"
Personally, I don't care if we adopt metric or not. Sure I'm used to the system we have now, but it is archaic and outdated, and if we ever overcome our stupidity and "tradition" enough to get rid of it then good riddance. Personally, I think the whole "tradition" excuse is horseshit anyway. We keep this system for the same reasons we keep everything else that's broken in this country: fear of change, laziness, and ignorance. We're like my dad who refuses to upgrade to CD, and even records his CDs to cassette just because that is what he is used to.
It's like people don't even realize that our system is actually HARDER than metric, the same way that they don't even realize that the English language is one of the most fucked up ones on the planet. You'd think that if we could learn English then learning a simpler language would be a breeze, but no. Teaching our kids a second or third language in grade school is blasphemy! We'll just expect everyone else to learn ours instead because we're lazy and ignorant
Also, I thought our measurement system was based on the average size of the queens thumb? Isn't that what an inch is? And a foot is just that, the average length of someone's foot. There is no base twelve about it except what may have been thrown on over time in a haphazard attempt at making it easier. Of course I could be wrong, I just remember being taught that in school at some point. But then again, considering our education system... 
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I'm tired and pissed right now due to other things so sorry if this came out harsh. I'm in "I hate humanity" mode.
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Originally posted by BlackNemesis13
Also, I thought our measurement system was based on the average size of the queens thumb? Isn't that what an inch is? And a foot is just that, the average length of someone's foot. There is no base twelve about it except what may have been thrown on over time in a haphazard attempt at making it easier. Of course I could be wrong, I just remember being taught that in school at some point. But then again, considering our education system...
King's thumb, actually.
But your point still stands.
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Originally posted by Tanks
The basic argument is the world is the majority here so we should do metric as well. I see no reason for not keeping the US system at all as it has worked fine for everyone here for centuries.
No, the main argument is that the metric system is much easier to handle and is used for physics anyway. That the rest of the world uses it is just a + that makes it easier. If the US system was better then I would suggest that everyone goes over to it instead, but it's not.
For the record, Kelvin is used in physics. But granted, it would be stupid to use that system on everyday basics.
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