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Posted on 09-06-09 07:59:55 PM

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:O how'd you know? I thought we plotted it pretty well, but not well enough, since you found out

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Posted on 09-12-09 06:08:16 PM

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Well, after trying again and again to get the 3 star coins, i gave up!

It is too hard. DESESPERATINGLY Hard!!!!

Seriously. I think this level is too hard, because it is too frustrating. A level should not be frustrating, because if it is, it's no longer fun. If you plan to make any remake i STRONGLY encourage you to not make it this hard...

But the level is well designed. I never got stuck, because you took care it doesn't happen, for example, with the starting mega mario, there is another vine if you break the original one...

Good, but frustrating, level!

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Posted on 09-13-09 06:08:03 AM

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Originally posted by dirbaio
Well, after trying again and again to get the 3 star coins, i gave up!

It is too hard. DESESPERATINGLY Hard!!!!
Seriously. I think this level is too hard, because it is too frustrating. A level should not be frustrating, because if it is, it's no longer fun. If you plan to make any remake i STRONGLY encourage you to not make it this hard...

But the level is well designed. I never got stuck, because you took care it doesn't happen, for example, with the starting mega mario, there is another vine if you break the original one...

Good, but frustrating, level!

Have you even been able to finish the level without the coins?
What about challenge 2? Any luck?

Anyways, Its been over a week. So I'll post the solutions...(Note: That the level has gone through moderations since I uploaded incomplete level, but they dont affect the challenge.)

Because the Starcoins is a puzzle in itself, its undoubtly going to be as hard as you think it is if you try to collect them head on. It requires a specific order thats actually moderately easy. PLEASE NOTE: That everything I describe is possible. I've done it myself to confirm. I'm not a mario-playing expert but even I can finish Challenge 1 and 2 with relative ease because I designed, but more importantly know the specific orders to the puzzle. I've also designed the challenges to be completed starting as any un-powered or powered up mario. And don't like to brag, but I think my design is pretty genius. As complex as it is theres only one possible way (and its listed below) to be stuck that requires a restart or letting the clock run out, and I think thats a pretty great accomplishment seeing as most people who design a crazy level often have many places where you can get stuck and cant even kill yourself.

Challenge 1: tinyshit/14iq5pt.png

Step 1: Obvious... Get to Step 1.
Step 2: Get coin and get to step 3 without dyeing.
Step 3: Ignore ANY POWERUP except Minimushrooms until Step 6. Hit the vine.
Step 4: Get to Step 4 by jumping accross the gap. Only possible as mini Mario, then hit the vine. WATCH OUT for falling enemies and makesure the Green Koopa doesnt fall.
Step 5: Groundpound the turtle forcing it to go right to crash the blocks. Follow the turtle by using the vine from step 4. Grab the 2nd star coin and backtrack to where you found the 1st coin.
Step 6: Get the mushroom and head to step 7.
Step 7: As big mario, get on the falling platform.
Step 8&9: Jump towards the 3rd starcoin at the right moment.
Final Step: Finish the level without dieing.

Challenge 2: tinyshit/2prs8ew.png

Step 1: Get to Step 1. If you somehow miss the mushroom and it escapes off screen, prepare to backtrack against the current of spiked blocks. (Yes, Its Possible)
Step 2: Use the Spiked block to get to small mario. Head to step 3. (Hint: Holding down while jumping often helps)
Step 3: If you managed to get to step 3 as big mario (Yes its possible), congratulations, you are stuck. As small mario, pound the block to reveal a minimushroom and chase it down.
Step 4: Every area you touch will reveal a coin. Make sure you collect every silhouette you turn into a coin. If you leave and coin, Step 6-7 will NOT work. You may ignore the other silhouettes if they have NOT turned into coins yet. Once you've collected every coin thats in your way, proceed to step 5.
Step 5: Hit the P switch and IMMEDIATELY head to step 6.
Step 6: Get into the Pip cannon AS MINI MARIO and get in while the P-switch is still active. You must be aware that Mini Mario defies the game's physics. This is true even for the pipe cannon.
Step 7: If you've managed to complete steps 1-6 flawlessly, you will fly halfway accross the level and even through and between the decorative boxes sliding withing the range of the secret pipe. Which will move you to the 2nd area for an alternate finish.
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I'm somewhat putting the construction of the unfinished Area on hold. Its about half done, and in truth, I stopped working on it 2 days after I made this thread. You can blame my girlfriend as she got playing an MMO, and then Scribblenauts came out...
I can say that the "main" part of area 2 thats 85%completed is straight-forward classic mario where no thinking is required. Just run, jump, and pray that you dont fall in a pit. But its only using up the bottom half of the area, and I have plans to make the top half (incomplete) a puzzle challenge for starcoins. I did have plans to make a giant, epic level that was supposedly 6-7 times greater in size than Bowser's castle, but the editor is exhausting so I've given up that idea. I may re-consider if someone dethrones my level. I pretty much crowned my concept level the hardest NSMB level that ever existed to this date.

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Posted on 09-13-09 02:43:32 PM

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Yes. I think this IS the hardest NSMB level ever existed.

To your questions: I couldn't beat the level even without star coins

And I couldn't get them even with the solutions you posted

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Posted on 09-13-09 07:45:20 PM

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Originally posted by dirbaio
Yes. I think this IS the hardest NSMB level ever existed.

To your questions: I couldn't beat the level even without star coins And I couldn't get them even with the solutions you posted

My only advice is practice.

Challenge 2 is pretty easy. I'd post a video, but I dont know how to record a high-quality video. I'm positive that once you saw it in action, you'd think that it was almost child's play.

Here are two tips...

Tip 1 for challenge 1: bring a giant mushroom and use it just before the road of Bullet Bills and Bombombs. I designed that are not only to be difficult in evasion, but to give you 5 1UPs if you destroy everything in giant mode. This will make the begginning of challenge 1 much easier.

Tip 2 for challenge 2: The area just before the spiked block area for minimario is often out of sync due to camera issues. I find that if you backtrack to just before the vine, get a running start, and jump through the minimario passage, you will pan the camera fast enough to sync up the spiked blocks, making a much more easier and predictable current of blocks.

Thats about the last bit of help I can think about.

But I agree that the level isnt that fun (for me) because since I made it, I'm not challenged by it. :[

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Posted on 09-15-09 05:04:05 PM

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ok. I'll keep trying. THe camera trick works very well

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Posted on 09-16-09 12:07:49 PM

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I feel good! I've got to the incomplete area!!!

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Posted on 09-18-09 11:48:43 PM

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Originally posted by dirbaio
I feel good! I've got to the incomplete area!!!

Good job

You're probably the only one who ever will.

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Posted on 09-19-09 05:06:18 PM

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Thanks. I've got to finish the level. I'll keep trying the 3 coins.

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