Jul -- Gaming: Sonic 4 (Episode 1 - 10/7 iOS, 10/11 Wii, 10/12 PS3, 10/13 360)

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Posted on 09-09-09 07:16:17 PM

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But when have that mentality, you end up with this...

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Posted on 09-09-09 07:20:16 PM

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Well okay Tanks, that's an extreme and I probably wouldn't like that since I do enjoy fast jumping.

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Posted on 09-09-09 09:39:44 PM

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Originally posted by cpubasic13
They are going to introduce a new character.

I mean come on, that is a staple to every new Sonic game since Sonic 2 and they still continue adding more.

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Posted on 09-09-09 09:40:56 PM

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Originally posted by Sukasa
Originally posted by Dawn
Originally posted by Sukasa
Originally posted by Skreeny

Random glitches: Sonic 3's manual had a note saying that Robotnik had set traps that would be triggered by Sonic's speed, and that you would need to wait until the timer ran out (or hit the reset button) if you got stuck. I think that qualifies as "enough said".

Is that what the bloody wierd impassable platform in the second circus zone was? A glitch?

No. They uhhh... Set up a hotline that, when called, told the player to press up and down...

Christ, the one thing I didn't try

After I figured it out. I headdesked. Then, I started laughing at people who managed to squish themselves doing it.

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Posted on 09-09-09 10:02:54 PM

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Me PM

Actually what my sister and I would do would co-ordinate our jumps to try and get the platform down low enough to get out.

We almost succeeded, even

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Posted on 09-09-09 10:06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Sukasa
Actually what my sister and I would do would co-ordinate our jumps to try and get the platform down low enough to get out.

We almost succeeded, even

This is what I did the first time I ran across it, then got mad and quit out. Later I read what you actually had to do. :|

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Posted on 09-09-09 10:16:58 PM

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Originally posted by Girlydragon
The big difference between the new and the old here is that only 3 of those characters were playable, and only selectable for single player in sonic 3 and S&K. Compare that too the recent sonic 3D games that often have more than 6 playable characters, that all have to be played to reach the end.

The only 3D games with more than 6 are '06 and Heroes (which may or may not count since you can only choose the 4 teams; each member was roughly equivalent to the same member for every other team). Adventure/Adventure 2 had 6 each (and Adventure 2 had half of them be duplicates of the other half; the only real characters were Sonic/Eggman/Knuckles, the others were just copies with fewer abilities). Black Knight had 4 (and you didn't even have to use all of them), Secret Rings had one, Shadow had one, Unleashed had one (two if you count the Werehog).

So, to tally:
6 or more characters: 4
1 character: 3

Spinoffs had more, of course (The Fighters has 8, the Riders series has like 20, Shuffle has 8).

Originally posted by Girlydragon
My main complaint with the new games gameplay is the linearity, there's on path to take instead of the old ones very branching and different paths trough the levels. And one cannot deny that the sections that only involved watching has increased in the 3D ones.

Sonic Adventure had remarkably few just-watch sections (probably about the same as Sonic 3/K, to be honest). A few loops, the orca, and maybe the Lost World waterfall. Adventure 2 added those tubes in Crazy Gadget, running down the wall in City Escape, and grind rails, but I don't remember much else.

Unfortunately, I do have to concede the linearity point, especially once you got past Adventure 2. Then

Originally posted by Girlydragon
You call the enemies cheap deaths? It's piss easy to stock up on rings and get by, now bad camera placement and controls is a far worse cheap death.

Alright, I should've differentiated between "cheap death" and "cheap hit". Both needlessly break the flow of gameplay, even if you don't get knocked back to the last checkpoint (and for that, there were still plenty of crushing things).

Originally posted by Girlydragon
I have had 1 one of those happen to me (although frequently) in my entire life whilst playing sonic 1 to 3, and I played it religiously.

In normal gameplay, ignoring the occasional time that Sonic would go too fast and fall through the floor and die, the main thing I can think of is Sonic 3, Icecap act 1, as Tails. The first time you play, the first slope will kill you if you don't go in the bonus or special stage.

Originally posted by Okyū
... a response to "old-school Sonic fans" ...

[trope]UnpleasableFanbase[/trope]

I think the game won't be bad though, considering they seem to be going for an old school 2D similar to some wiiware games... Then again, they also made that Sonic Genesis for GBA...

No, no.
[trope]BrokenBase[/trope]

(And yes, Sonic Genesis was awful. I don't know how they managed to break the engine that badly...)

Originally posted by Dawn
But when have that mentality, you end up with this...

Should I video tape myself getting through Emerald Hill act 1 without jumping?

Don't get me wrong; I did enjoy the classic games a bit more than anything recent. But... the flaws have always been there. For every "running too fast and falling in a pit" in Adventure, there's an "attacking a firefly in Sonic 2 only to have it turn invincible for no good reason midjump" or "getting suddenly crushed by a rock in Mystic Cave" or "falling in a pit that would be bottomless but instead has spikes at the bottom of it" or "having spikes appear out of nowhere from a wall"... alright, I just have major issues with Mystic Cave. I liked Sonic 3/K best out of the classic series, followed by Sonic 1, then Sonic 2 (something about it felt more... solid, and I hated the tube special stages).

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Posted on 09-09-09 11:00:46 PM

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Ah, Sonic. I'm an old fan of Sonic. Hell, I kinda enjoyed SOME of his new games. Most suck, but some were generally enjoyable.

Unfortunately, I don't see this working the way we hope. It'd be great if they make the fabled "Sonic 4" and blow our minds, but I don't see it happening. I guess I've just about given up hope for my old friend the blue hedgehog.

The trailer also didn't help me much. It was mostly just marketing crap, and just the idea of making a 2D sonic game is to appease people who have been complaining to Sonic about it. But oh well, we'll find out soon enough.l

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Posted on 09-10-09 03:59:30 AM

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Skreeny: Nah. I already made mention in IRC about how you could do that. I think that's the only classic game to have a level to allow that. But that's only one level dude. Sonic Rush had several from what I understand. Sonic Advance 2 was just...

about it too...

Also, I'll just point out Sonic 2 is the best game ever hands down. Arguing against that will result in a penalty along with a double execution. (Also the firefly thing isn't a bug...)

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Posted on 09-10-09 05:45:25 PM

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Never said the firefly thing was a bug. I said it was an obnoxious, unnecessary break in the flow of gameplay. They go from vulnerable to harmful in less time than it takes to hit them from a jump, and there's no warning (outside of "immediately after they appear, and then every x seconds thereafter"). The graphic doesn't even quite match; they hurt you as soon as they start flashing at all, not once the light gets large. Of course, it's somewhat questionable that they made it so they can hurt you while flashing, but you can't hurt them, even if you're invincible/flashing/super.

They are, however, slightly less obnoxious than that one set of blocks in Chemical Plant, where if you spin, you'll roll under the second-to-bottom one and get crushed.

Also, a significant part of the reason you can get away without jumping in that one Rush level (I haven't played the first one, but the general complaint I've heard is less "too linear" and more "too many bottomless pits") is the increase in aerial mobility and removed need to jump to hit springs.

(Supposedly it's possible to get through Palmtree Panic 1 without jumping, but I don't have a copy of it in front of me to try it--just gotta use that first 3D jump to get past the spring.)

...Not even going to bother trying to defend Advance 2, since I've never really played it and the only thing I ever heard was "way too freaking fast".

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Posted on 09-10-09 06:57:24 PM

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Originally posted by Skreeny
...Not even going to bother trying to defend Advance 2, since I've never really played it and the only thing I ever heard was "way too freaking fast".

Think Sonic Rush on steroids. The gameplay is ass, but I must say I liked the boss fights and music. music was the best part actually.

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Posted on 09-11-09 12:09:27 AM

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I hope they introduce a new infuriating minigame that we'll have to master in order to obtain all of the emeralds

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Posted on 09-11-09 04:05:44 AM

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Would be great if they showed off the 2D, it looked great, someone tries it and says it plays great... then Sega says "Oh, sorry, that's the minigame" and then we get Sonic Unleashed 2.

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Originally posted by Colin
Would be great if they showed off the 2D, it looked great, someone tries it and says it plays great... then Sega says "Oh, sorry, that's the minigame" and then we get Sonic Unleashed 2.

I hate you.

You know, I can see them pulling some shit like that.

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Posted on 09-11-09 05:14:14 AM (last edited by Skreeny at 09-11-09 03:36 AM)

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Originally posted by Colin
Would be great if they showed off the 2D, it looked great, someone tries it and says it plays great... then Sega says "Oh, sorry, that's the minigame" and then we get Sonic Unleashed 2.

If you'd prefer, we could get Shadow 2, or Sonic '06... 2 (okay, games with numbers in the title sound awful with a "2" after them).

EDIT: Or, more succinctly, this:

(Shamelessly lifted off of this Sega blog post.)

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Posted on 02-04-10 06:06:09 AM

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IT'S SONIC 4. EPISODE 1.

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Posted on 02-04-10 06:14:15 AM

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I hope the "4" doesn't also stand for how many friends join him in this game.

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Posted on 02-04-10 06:15:29 AM

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Saw the trailer.

All I can really wish for is that they don't ruin this.

Please Sega... Don't ruin this.

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Posted on 02-04-10 06:21:44 AM (last edited by Shadic at 02-04-10 03:22 AM)

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From the low-quality trailer on Gamespot. All 4 seconds of gameplay.

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