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Posted on 08-25-09 03:40:36 PM (last edited by PSI Purple at 08-25-09 05:13 PM) Link | Quote
Dah, the thread's name is a tad misleading, this post is more focused on clones, but oh well... Lot of stuff here. Kind of unorganized, I was writing this up all while it happened, but made sure everything was as 100% as possible.

The Collision data for 2 players is Global. Whatever mode it is, Single Player or M vs. L, the data for what happens to the player when they hit another player is there... Alright, fine, not all of it. The Fireball(Flower Power-Up) can't collide with the 2nd Player if P2 isn't normally there.

Tested this out with that Mario Clone that can come out of sprite 290, Left Flying ? Block with Sprite Data of 00 00 07 00 00 00. But interestingly enough, it seems that both normal Mario and the clone of him share the same "properties." Meaning if you use that cheat I made to allow toggle between Mega Mario and normal, they both get affected by it.
Screenie of that.

Actually, the game acts as if the clone is the player. If the clone dies, you die. If the clone goes through an exit, you go through that exit(but lose the clone). If the clone picks an item up, you pick up that item instead(which could lead to some c00l level design). If the clone stomps an enemy, you'll be the one who gets the jump boost(if you're in the air. Might also lead to c00l level design). If the clone gets a Mega Mushroom, you both get the shiny effects(you still stay normal). If you get hurt, you both seem to take the hit, but not always.
It's like one of my friends' fan fictions. "But even though we're seperated, our souls are still connected. Which means whatever happens to you, happens to me."

The flag pole's funny. If the clone hits it while on screen, you teleport to the flag pole. But when the counter hits zero from that, it says "Time's Up!" and the clone dies, giving a mix between the Mario fade transition and the Bowser fade transition. On the other hand, if the clone hits the flag pole while off screen, he moves right through it. Probably because of how sprites don't technically spawn until they properly get on screen.

As for what happens with a Mega Clone... He winds up killing you once you get sent to the flag pole. D: But the flag pole stays intact.

The form the clone spawns in is probably dependent on what form Mario started the level with. As an example, I started with Super Mario, then gained the Fire Flower. The Clone started as Super Mario as opposed to Fire Mario. Another example, I started with Mega Mario(with help of a cheat) and the clone spawned as Mega Mario.

Oh yeah, and Power Up music doesn't seem to turn off all the time.

The clone can be remembered throughout the level. You can leave him behind and will still be there when you come back, but since he mimics your movements, he might die, which kills you too. Once, the clone fell downwards towards a part where the camera would scroll for the normal Mario. But the camera wasn't following him, so the clone died. :'(

Something not as cool, though, is that if the sprite that spawned the Clone respawns in the level, the clone disappears. But if you stop it from respawning, you get the Clone until the level ends. Since the Left Flying ? Block is the only way I know of how to spawn a clone, you need to destroy that ? Block with Mega Mario(Broozer doesn't work) to stop it from respawning itself and removing the clone.

When I accidentally got a Mega Clone off screen, he destroyed a pipe. When l guided him back and looked at the damage he made, the pipe was intact, but broken... I mean, the pipe had the broken bottom half, but the upper half was still there.... :-\ Oh, and l could still break it a second time to make it look normally broken.

Hm, looks like that's all l got. How about a video of it in action?

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Posted on 08-25-09 04:58:11 PM Link | Quote
wtf??¿????

i shall try this!!!
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Posted on 08-25-09 05:01:54 PM (last edited by Treeki at 08-25-09 02:05 PM) Link | Quote
It's actually pretty cool. Both Marios can interact with each other (if you can get them into the right position) and such. It feels quite a bit like what NSMB's co-op could have been. (I can't compare it to the final version's 2 player mode behaviour - I haven't played it in years so I don't remember exactly how it was.)

I'm looking into it in a debugger to see if I can figure out how it works or anything else related. GBA ASM hacking is so much easier. In other words, I've given up.

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Posted on 08-25-09 06:01:05 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Treeki
It's actually pretty cool. Both Marios can interact with each other (if you can get them into the right position) and such. It feels quite a bit like what NSMB's co-op could have been. (I can't compare it to the final version's 2 player mode behaviour - I haven't played it in years so I don't remember exactly how it was.)

I'm looking into it in a debugger to see if I can figure out how it works or anything else related. GBA ASM hacking is so much easier. In other words, I've given up.


The player interaction is pretty similar. Even the Mega Power-Up can do damage to the other Mario. The only thing with the interaction that's missing is shooting a Fire Ball at your clone. Goes right through. But that's not too bad.

Aw, don't feel too bad, Treeki. I'm much more of a fail than you. I could never even come close to making an editor of anything. =3

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Posted on 08-26-09 04:19:53 PM Link | Quote
yea, it seems like they were gonna implement an adventure mode multiplayer possibility (hence New Super Mario Bros. Wii). I keep seeing Nintendo do this. Ideas from previous games being put into new ones. For example, in the original Super Mario 64, they wanted to do multiplayer, but didn't. Now, Super Mario 64 DS has it.
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Posted on 08-29-09 06:25:02 PM Link | Quote

This most likely is the prototype coop data I was searching for a year ago. Nice find dude.

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Posted on 08-29-09 10:51:32 PM Link | Quote
I wonder if it's possible to salvage the mode for possible use, or if it's not developed enough to properly implement without a shitload of bugs and crashes.
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Well, seeing this, l feel that as long as we can insert these levels inside the normal Multiplayer stuff with all the sprites and objects fully functional, it should be all ready. But who knows how much ASM that could require? I'm sure the flagpole could work with both, because the reason it doesn't work for the clone is because the game treats the clones as player 1.

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Posted on 09-08-09 01:01:15 PM Link | Quote
Wow. Now hopefully they will make a Dsi Ware Co-op, or againest each other eventually. They SAY that this will be in the Wii version of this game. That's what they said at the E3 Beta too.

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Posted on 09-08-09 01:04:42 PM (last edited by Dawn at 09-08-09 05:38 PM) Link | Quote

Originally posted by PSI Purple
Well, seeing this, l feel that as long as we can insert these levels inside the normal Multiplayer stuff with all the sprites and objects fully functional, it should be all ready. But who knows how much ASM that could require? I'm sure the flagpole could work with both, because the reason it doesn't work for the clone is because the game treats the clones as player 1.


The only issue I've found with that is how do we get the flagpole into multiplayer? We'd need some hack to force the game to read every object rather than the ones it's restricted to in the narc...

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Posted on 09-08-09 08:31:42 PM Link | Quote
there'd have to be some hack to force the first Mario to stay at the bottom of the flagpole, or to maybe wait inside the castle, and finish the level when both parties enter the castle (reach the EoF marker).
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Posted on 09-09-09 01:38:30 PM Link | Quote
wow, this is VERY cool. What a level we could make... But why do you say that the block needs to be destroyed??

I'm going to try it now!
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Posted on 09-09-09 06:36:14 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by dirbaio
wow, this is VERY cool. What a level we could make... But why do you say that the block needs to be destroyed??


If the sprite that spawned the Clone respawns in the level, the clone disappears. But if you stop it from respawning, you get the Clone until the level ends. Since the Left Flying ? Block is the only way I know of how to spawn a clone, you need to destroy that ? Block with Mega Mario(Broozer doesn't work) to stop it from respawning itself and removing the clone.





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Posted on 09-09-09 07:29:26 PM (last edited by dirbaio at 09-10-09 09:07 AM) Link | Quote
ah, ok. I've been playing around with this and i see it's true. I'm trying to make a level with it. Something like a level with an up path and a down path. but the problem is the block! I don't want the player to have to remove it manually. I'm looking into some sprite that could destrpy the block, like a thwomp (discarded because it kills the clone) or a rotating spiked ball. I'll post here if I have any success...

EDIT: Good news! I've found out that if you make a spiked ball collide with the Left Flying ? Block, it causes the clone to spawn AND destroys the block! This can be used to make a clone spawn automatically without having the player to get the mega mushroom and destroy the block.
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i found out that if you play as luigi no clone will appear. this intrigues me, as this means the game might read the clone as luigi.
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Originally posted by Tanks
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Well, seeing this, l feel that as long as we can insert these levels inside the normal Multiplayer stuff with all the sprites and objects fully functional, it should be all ready. But who knows how much ASM that could require? I'm sure the flagpole could work with both, because the reason it doesn't work for the clone is because the game treats the clones as player 1.


The only issue I've found with that is how do we get the flagpole into multiplayer? We'd need some hack to force the game to read every object rather than the ones it's restricted to in the narc...


What if two 'end-of-level flag' sprites are put into the level, one above the other? it might work...
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Posted on 03-14-10 01:09:43 AM Link | Quote
wouldn't work. The flag poles (with the End of File sprite) are coded to block Mario (or Luigi) from jumping over them (like in Super Mario World). Therefore, imagine them as infinitely tall invisible walls. The player could never jump over them.
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Originally posted by mariofanatic64
i found out that if you play as luigi no clone will appear. this intrigues me, as this means the game might read the clone as luigi.


You could use a clone to cause Mario to take an entirely different level path than an uncloned Luigi.

Have Luigi go to one of the red castle flags or something


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i've been playing around with the end of level flag, and i tried to make two flags, i tried to put them above and next to each other. but both times, once player 1 had reached the flag, the second flag would be disabled. the clone would go past the first flag and the second flag. so in conclusion, there is no way to get player 1 and the clone to the end of the level without dying. Unless the clone were to die first WITHOUT killing player 1.
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Make an entrance to another area right at the end of the level and put the flag in the other area. When any mario enters it, only the real mario will appear on the other area, so it will be able to get the flag correctly.
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line 680 column 317 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 766 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 775 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 780 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 356 column 582 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 471 column 1162 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 760 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 233 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 261 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 289 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 325 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 351 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 353 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
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line 408 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 438 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 464 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 641 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 699 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 729 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 755 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 351 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md