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| Jul - Gaming - Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver (DS/JP: 9/12) |
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Hiryuu Level: 207     Posts: 11623/14435 EXP: 127635913 For next: 2148241 Since: 07-06-07 Since last post: 11.8 years Last activity: 11.7 years
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| http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml
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Keitaro Fire Snake LOVELY ARRANGEMENT. VOLCANO BAKEMEAT Level: 70 Posts: 136/1191 EXP: 2901871 For next: 113940 Since: 09-09-08 From: California Since last post: 4.1 years Last activity: 3.8 years
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| Honestly, Gold and Silver had a much deeper plot than most people actually realize... its just that there's so many little details that get over looked, and many that didn't even make sense until later games. But as it turns out the game was incredibly deep and had a huge deal of symbolism to it. |
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Skreeny Member I have a custom title. Level: 54  Posts: 419/636 EXP: 1172669 For next: 61201 Since: 09-15-07 Since last post: 9.3 years Last activity: 1.2 years
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Originally posted by KeitaroCare to explain? I saw a lot of atmosphere, but not much story. Also, in probably a year's worth of looking, I've never seen Serebii post any actual fake news. Unsourced, sure, but I haven't seen any of it actually come out as wrong. |
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Keitaro Fire Snake LOVELY ARRANGEMENT. VOLCANO BAKEMEAT Level: 70 Posts: 137/1191 EXP: 2901871 For next: 113940 Since: 09-09-08 From: California Since last post: 4.1 years Last activity: 3.8 years
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Originally posted by SkreenyOriginally posted by KeitaroCare to explain? I saw a lot of atmosphere, but not much story. Well...the Mewtwo/Latios thing was wrong, and before Diamond and Pearl came out they jumped the gun and confirmed a faked set of starters as being the real things, for one...other than that I don't know what she means  ; I don't really follow that site much.
The storyline was definitely there, it had more to it than the originals did imho. It did have a lot of shinto references, many I'm still figuring out, not to mention a lot of hidden ones involving the Unown and their symbolism within the continuity. Also, with the events of Fire Red/RSE, the storylines were expanded to kind of explain a few additional details. My biggest theory is this one: there's an active volcano on One Isle in FRLG, which is said to be likely to go off at any minute--its filled with Slugma. RSE takes place at the same time or within the same time frame as FRLG, assume that Groudon and Kyogre causing global weather catastrophies triggered the volcano to go off--it makes the most sense, after all. It explains why in GSC, Cinibar is destroyed by a "nearby volcano". Now as we all know, there was no such thing. But we learn in FRLG that One Isle is incredibly close to Cinibar, as revealed by the events of the storyline. Also after the aftermath of the volcano, Slugma are strewn all about the area where the volcano hit around Fuschia City. We can assume they were blown over there during the blast, or formed out of the residual magma since they are made of pure lava anyway--the area of the volcanic aftermath is also the only area in the Kanto/Johto regions other than One Island where Slugma can be found. That's just one of my major theories, anyway. We also learn that in GSC, the two birds--Lugia and Ho-Oh, fled after Brass Tower burned down (Entei, Raikou, and Suicune were said to have perished, hence why they were stone), and later return at the end of the game to their respective locations. Well, as you know, you find these two birds as optional events in FRLG. We can assume that they fled to the two locations in that game in the mean while--being as they were optional events we can say that canonically, Red either never encountered them, or was not able to capture them, and they returned back to Johto. Same logic as to why the three birds of Kanto are floating around Sinnoh--when Red fails to capture them, they flee. As they aren't present in GSC, we can assume he either caught them or they took off. He doesn't use them, which doesn't tell us very much, but their presence in Sinnoh would imply that they managed to get away from him...guess he never had much luck with legendaries. Or maybe thats the point, canonically they are supposed to come off as some sort of unattainable beast--legendary, for a reason. The fact that you as a player can catch them may just have little bearing on the actual storyline as they hope to portray it ;x He may have not captured Mewtwo as well, since in GSC, Mewtwo's cave was sealed off for being "too dangerous". Now other than Mewtwo, all that place really had were a bunch of Parasect, Electrode, Golbat, and a few Wobuffet. Nothing you haven't encountered before and definitely far from the most ferocious Pokemon. Perhaps we can conclude from this that the cave was sealed off to prevent Mewtwo from escaping, or from anyone getting hurt. The final thing I can say that expands upon the storyline is the Mew Event in Emerald, and this one is not just speculation like the rest--if you read the Journals and various photographs in the buildings on Cinibar island in FRLG/RBY, you'd be able to determine eventually that Mr. Fuji is responsible for creating Mewtwo. We also learn that there is a sign on Mew's island, which is signed by Fuji and claimed to be the place he originally found him--going by what the Journals said, we can conclude that this is the only non-Japanese location accessable in a Pokemon game--its South America. Russia is also mentioned by a Rocket Grunt in GSC (he claims his failure will have him shipped over to their branch over there), but that location is obviously inaccessable. If you need me to expand on anything just ask. There's a lot of speculation involved but a lot of these things are the most logical conclusions you can reach when you peice the facts together. |
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Skreeny Member I have a custom title. Level: 54 Posts: 420/636 EXP: 1172669 For next: 61201 Since: 09-15-07 Since last post: 9.3 years Last activity: 1.2 years
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| At least part of that seems to have been retconned by FR/LG, which they obviously couldn't have planned for in GSC (they didn't remake any games prior to R/S for the pattern to have started; also, hello "Giovanni's kid has red hair").
One Island: Didn't exist in R/G/B/Y. Your mother at the start of GSC is cooking "Cinnabar Volcano Burgers", the guy south of Vermilion City mentions that "Cinnabar's volcano erupted", and there's a crater on the top of Cinnabar island. The intent here seems rather clear, although the text admittedly could have been changed for the US versions (I don't speak Japanese). Also, Slugma in GSC are found on the bike path. This is rather close to Cinnabar, but presumably not that close to One Island (particularly given that the farthest the boulders seem to have gone is that route south of Vermilion). Needless to say, I'm ignoring the faint possibility that One Island is right outside the barrier south/west of Cinnabar. Cerulean Cave/Unknown Dungeon: No Wobbuffets in RGBY. In those games, Pokemon in the cave are somewhere between level 46 (lolGolbat) and 67 (Ditto, although ), even excluding Mewtwo. There are roughly 7 trainers in those games with Pokemon who are higher level than even the lowest one there (the Elite 4, Giovanni, one of the Jugglers on Victory Road, and your rival). Add to that the fact that the cave is next to the town with the second gym, where the average level is around 12-15, and you've got a major hazard to the general populace. Also, a hiker in Saffron City's Pokemon Center mentioned (in the US version at least) that "Several caves have disappeared in the past few years, like the one outside CERULEAN.", which seems to suggest that it was a natural collapse. Was it ever stated in anything in continuity with the games that the Kanto legendaries (excluding Mewtwo for obvious reasons) were one of a kind? I always just got the impression that they were just extremely rare, kinda like Snorlax. This isn't to say that there's not a lot of ways that the games could go. There seems to be a rather rich history to the area, it just doesn't seem to be terribly fleshed out, particularly with regards to things like the Ruins of Alph, which are explained pretty much as just being really really old and mysterious (although Crystal gave them some meaning outside of being Unown, Natu, and Smeargle's only place of residence). ...What was the deal with Smeargle being there, anyway? |
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Keitaro Fire Snake LOVELY ARRANGEMENT. VOLCANO BAKEMEAT Level: 70 Posts: 139/1191 EXP: 2901871 For next: 113940 Since: 09-09-08 From: California Since last post: 4.1 years Last activity: 3.8 years
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| Never quite got the deal with Smeargle, especially since they were given somewhat of a natural habbitat in Emerald >__> bizarre, really. At any rate, at least the new games seek to expand upon the ruins by tying them in to the events of DP in some way--I'm glad to hear about that at least. And yeah, One Island appears to be, according to official artwork and media, located incredibly close to Cinibar, which is the location you originally travel from to get there (and I believe Bill mentions it being pretty much right there--though I could be wrong)... a lot of the Japanese dialogue was slightly different, but for the most part Nob Ogasawara seems to have been pretty faithful at adapting what he could--though I'm sure he took a few liberties here and there as any localizer would.
But yeah, I have no idea what the deal with Smeargle was ;x probably ran out of ideas. Ruby and Sapphire seems to have suffered hard from this, with many Pokemon only appearing in one or so areas of the game, and many being incredibly pointless (Luvdisc, anyone? And Relicanth...despite its necessity for getting the Regis, is a Pokemon who you KNOW we're never going to see again) |
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