Originally posted by Yume Kusanagi

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That's basically what partisanship is.

That's basically what's happening here that the dems are trying to ram through the house.

That isn't bipartisanship.

Although if you are talking this current system, you are right; that's a laughable attempt, I admit, considering it's approximately 250-170 in the house for Dems/Repubs in the House and magic 60-40 'filibuster-proof' for Dems/Repubs in the Senate. Trying to have a bipartisan vote with a skewed system to the dems like that IS a joke.

But it gets to the point where a republic heads democracy heads oligarchy with the way things are going.

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Originally posted by Hiryuu

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That isn't bipartisanship.

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Can't say I'm surprised at the ratings though. This is about similar to the voting records for the popular vote, actually higher -- it was 52.9% Obama and 45.7% McCain (at least by turnout, anyway; I suppose some people on either side just couldn't be arsed to vote). Nobody's actually disappointed Obama has not yet worked the miracles a few wackos claimed he'd be able to except *perhaps* those same now-jaded people; it seems as believable to say that most of the people who aren't approving voted, say, McCain in the first place and are still quite skeptical of some of Obama's policies, which in this topic, even, are considered by at least some to be too radical.

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First, Mr. Obama doggedly promises that if you like your (private) health-care coverage now, you can keep it. That promise is hollow, because the Democrats’ reforms are designed to push an ever-increasing number of Americans into a government-run health-care plan.

If a so-called public option is part of health-care reform, the Lewin Group study estimates over 100 million Americans may leave private plans for government-run health care.

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Originally posted by Hiryuu

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Anyways, they're now looking at September to try again. Pelosi's desperately trying to seek getting the August recess delayed to get this passed but it just isn't going to happen.

If you read the rest of the article, it does go into a bipartisan solution to the problem. Actually being straight with each other would also be a genuine start.

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Except private care will eventually be phased out, doctor-to-patient relationships will fizzle over it, the bill doesn't even take effect until 2013 anyways and...

...well, I shouldn't really have to draw this out.

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Originally posted by Hiryuu

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Originally posted by Xkeeper

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...As has been already stated, if you like your doctor or coverage, you could keep it without problems.

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Not true.

They fail to mention that about 83 million will be forced off because of competition against the government anyways...especially if he goes talking about taking the profit out of it. Obama said that in his speech the other night.

You take money out of private sector insurance and...you don't have private sector insurance.

You don't have insurance then. Then you're government controlled.

A better contention would be to say that you don't see the government officials being put onto this 'care' either because they have better ones and it will be as such regardless of this passing or not.

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