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Posted on 07-06-09 05:56:10 PM Link | Quote
Yet another casualty.

More ammunition for them to go after more companies.

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Posted on 07-06-09 08:36:32 PM Link | Quote
Bah, another one of these threads? I'm beginning to wonder just how much of this is actually about the RIAA's obnoxious zeal and how much of it is about internet users--specifically the ones who deal with illegal distribution of copyrighted content--whining about how people like them get in trouble for breaking the law and then claiming it's a violation of civil rights.

As it stands, Usenet.com as a whole can be shown to have been an outlet for illegal activities. It's like someone posting a sign in front of a restaurant that says "We sell crack!" and wondering why the cops show up at the door.
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When the RIAA first sued Usenet.com, we thought it could make for an interesting case. After all, you could make a decent argument that there are a ton of non-infringing uses of Usenet. However, as the details came out, it became pretty clear that Usenet.com dug its own grave, so it should be no surprise at all that a judge was quick to side with the RIAA. There are two main things at issue: first, it appears that Usenet.com may have destroyed evidence -- shades of TorrentSpy. It doesn't matter how the rest of the case shakes out -- if you're caught destroying evidence, you're already at the bottom of a big, big hill. Not only that, but in explaining the destroyed evidence, they gave contradictory explanations suggesting they then lied about the destruction of evidence. Another major no-no. The second issue was that the folks at Usenet.com were incredibly blatant in advertising its services for infringing on copyrighted materials. Whether you agree with the Grokster "contributory" infringement concept or not, it is the rule that the courts need to follow, and there does seem to be rather overwhelming evidence that Usenet.com regularly promoted the fact that it was a better way to infringe on copyrights. So, while the RIAA will again crow about this victory, it's a victory over an egregious player in the space who appears to have gone way over the line.
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Posted on 07-07-09 12:19:25 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by GuyPerfect
I'm beginning to wonder just how much of this is actually about the RIAA's obnoxious zeal and how much of it is about internet users--specifically the ones who deal with illegal distribution of copyrighted content--whining about how people like them get in trouble for breaking the law and then claiming it's a violation of civil rights.

I'm sorry, but if I leave for a week and come back to find my forum has been spammed with links to pirated downloads (that are against the rules), I would prefer to not be responsible just because it was on my service. Same goes if it just goes undetected for a while.

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Posted on 07-07-09 05:35:49 AM Link | Quote
I dunno, though...

The RIAA accused Usenet.com of intentionally destroying the contents on seven hard drives that contained employee-generated data; providing false information; and attempting to prevent employees from giving depositions by sending them to Europe.

I mean, if you're going to try and defend yourselves... DON'T DO THAT.

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Posted on 07-07-09 07:31:27 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Syaoran
I dunno, though...

The RIAA accused Usenet.com of intentionally destroying the contents on seven hard drives that contained employee-generated data; providing false information; and attempting to prevent employees from giving depositions by sending them to Europe.

I mean, if you're going to try and defend yourselves... DON'T DO THAT.

That much should be obvious, you know

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Posted on 07-08-09 05:46:22 AM Link | Quote
True, but given how hard it can be to fight against those organizations... you'd better make sure that you have no skeletons in the closet.

Otherwise "possible fail" becomes "EPIC FAIL".

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Usenet was always big on violating copyrights.

They were just hoping everyone but the cool crowd had forgotten how to access them.

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