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Posted on 06-23-09 03:14:58 PM Link | Quote
I disagree? I enjoy the new Sonic games. I feel that their only real problems are the times when you are unable to play as Sonic or a character whose control scheme is similar. I also believe there are a lot of people who hold similar sentiments.

Sega should not stop making Sonic games -- Sega should stop making Sonic games that disallow you from being Sonic.

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Posted on 06-23-09 03:16:25 PM Link | Quote
Could be that little generation gap between the people who grew up with the original Sonic and those who did not and came in later on to play them. I haven't really enjoyed Sonic since.....Dreamcast?

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Posted on 06-23-09 03:28:08 PM Link | Quote
At this rate, it won't be long before you have to put the little blue guy down.

*sighs*

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Posted on 06-23-09 03:30:03 PM Link | Quote
IMO the series started to die after Sonic Adventure 2, and finished dying at Sonic 06.

the Sonic Advance games were good though, and apparently the Sonic Rush ones were too.

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Posted on 06-23-09 03:40:07 PM Link | Quote
A good parallel to sonic would be my father. Back in the day, he was the shit. In the 50s and 60s, he was the fuckin' man, and everyone in his neighborhood knew it. Now, if he tries to be cool in this generation... "No, dad, people don't use the word 'boss' to describe cool shit anymore."

Whatever. Everything after Sonic & Knuckles sucked dick, in my book.

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Posted on 06-23-09 03:55:51 PM Link | Quote
After Sonic Adventure 2 (and maybe even Heroes, that was still fairly enjoyable for me) Sega stopped focusing on Sonic as the selling point and more on the gimmicks. They unfortunately don't seem to understand that all the Sonic fans want is more like what Unleashed's Day Stages were like. We just want Sonic's fast running, jumping, platforming action but translated into 3D. Or if they can't do that, make it 2D and return to the roots.

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Posted on 06-23-09 03:57:59 PM Link | Quote
MegaMan 9 did very well...I don't know why they can't do the same for a new Sonic game.

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Posted on 06-23-09 04:08:08 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Guts
A good parallel to sonic would be my father. Back in the day, he was the shit. In the 50s and 60s, he was the fuckin' man, and everyone in his neighborhood knew it. Now, if he tries to be cool in this generation... "No, dad, people don't use the word 'boss' to describe cool shit anymore."

Whatever. Everything after Sonic & Knuckles sucked dick, in my book.

So after the 60s your dad started sucking dick?

But yeah, happy birthday to my name base, the person who has also disappointed me over the years greatly.

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Posted on 06-23-09 04:16:42 PM Link | Quote
Oh...I figured this was about Fails.

Geez.

This is the second time this week that a title of a thread has misled me and my time.

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Posted on 06-23-09 05:33:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Anya
Could be that little generation gap between the people who grew up with the original Sonic and those who did not and came in later on to play them. I haven't really enjoyed Sonic since.....Dreamcast?


The first console I ever bought for myself was a Genesis, specifically for the Sonic games, when I was nine.

I would still like to say that I enjoy the newer Sonic games when I have the ability to play as Sonic.

Also, what exactly was the gimmick in Sonic 2006?

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Posted on 06-23-09 05:35:56 PM Link | Quote
I need to get a sonic layout going here. Damn, happy birthday dude. I managed to beat your first 4 games on a real genesis a few days ago. Maybe I'll play through Sonic 2 just for the occasion.

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Posted on 06-23-09 05:39:45 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Anya
MegaMan 9 did very well...I don't know why they can't do the same for a new Sonic game.


Because it would need SPEED SPEED SPEED and VOICE ACTING and A DEEP INVOLVING PLOT LINE. Also, SUPER SONIC AT THE END OF THE GAME JUST BECAUSE HE'S NOT COOL ENOUGH TO HAVE WITHIN THE ACTUAL LEVELS. (Just to name a few modern sonic cliches that are bringing the series to its death...)

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Posted on 06-23-09 06:27:25 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shantae
Originally posted by Anya
MegaMan 9 did very well...I don't know why they can't do the same for a new Sonic game.


Because it would need SPEED SPEED SPEED and VOICE ACTING and A DEEP INVOLVING PLOT LINE. Also, SUPER SONIC AT THE END OF THE GAME JUST BECAUSE HE'S NOT COOL ENOUGH TO HAVE WITHIN THE ACTUAL LEVELS. (Just to name a few modern sonic cliches that are bringing the series to its death...)

Don't forget that the epic final battle is always with Super Sonic in space.

And the huge amount of worthless side-characters.

And the ever-growing fail of the programmers, where aparrently Sonic 06 is more about loading than actually doing something.


Sonic 3 & Knuckles was the epitome of awesome. The levels had areas where you could be fast, usually as a quick path between A or B, and then more areas where you could slow down and explore. There were no over-arching plots ("OH NO! EGGMAN HAS STOLENED SONIC'S CHAOS EMERALDS AND DONE BAD THING. STOP HIM!" is a fine example) and stories were told well without words (see Knuckles).

Besides, they've actually come right out and said at this point that the only good Sonic is as a cash cow because people keep buying the shitty games.


(P.S. Yes, I am aware Sonic Genesis is an even worse programming example, but for the sake of not causing exploding heads I'm not bringing it up in the post)

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Posted on 06-23-09 06:41:09 PM Link | Quote
Three things:
One, I didn't know it was his 18th birthday today, and now I know.
Two, I feel as if the series started to rapidly decay after Heroes, but that is just my opinion.
Three, I need to play a Sonic game now.

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Posted on 06-23-09 06:42:38 PM Link | Quote
You know, I'm starting to get into SOME of the newer Sonic games. By these, I mean Sonic Adventure, sonic Adventure 2, and Shadow the Hedgehog. The others I haven't played except for a little bit of Heroes, and Heroes got old real quick. Yes, they are gimmicky as hell, and some times I want to punch the camera in the face for making me die in a way that was totally not my fault, but I find them fun and addicting dammit.

Now, the plots are like "what the?" and rarely have anything to do with the original Sonic plots. They're pretty retarded, and are WAY over the top, but they still keep me interested enough to get into the game for some reason. I agree that the main problem with the two Sonic Adventures is that the only levels that are any fun are the sonic levels. They need to quit inventing all of these new characters that nobody cares about like Big the Cat. I mean seriously?! When I play a Sonic game, I don't want to fish!

But also, Sonic went from being the badass character that he was in the 90s, to somebody that you just want to bitchslap everytime he talks. Although, he is not nearly as annoying as Tails, or Knuckles' raps. And oh, Knuckles, what have they done to you! Knuckles used to be the best character to play as, and now, he pretty much sucks. His levels aren't nearly as fun as Sonic's or Shadow's and they keep trying to make him out to be gangsta with all the retarded rap they keep playing.

If you can get past all of the shittyness though, these games have a TON of replay value, and can be really fun. I got all 130 emblems in Sonic Adventure, although I didn't have nearly as much patience with Sonic Adventure 2. And Shadow the Hedgehog, what can I say? There are 326 different ways you can beat that game, 10 of which are required if you want the true ending. Now I just picked this game up for 2 bucks yesterday, and I mainly got it for the lawls, but DAMN a lot of effort went into that! I think that game is horribly underated. I think it is awesome, and is defintiely the best of the newer Sonic games. Yes, it is definitely NOT your typical Sonic game, but it is fun as hell (literally I guess,) if you can get into the whole dark side thing, and don't mind the plot being really involved once again. Not to mention, the music kicks ass! Songs now have lyrics that I can actually listen to in the car instead of wanting to beat the voice dubber to a bloody pulp. Plus it is actually mixed properly. The Sonic Adventure games annoyed the hell out of me because the music kept drowning out anything you wanted to hear.

And yes, I grew up with all of the original Sonic games. They are no doubt the best, and will always be the best, but I've also accepted that that period of Sonic gaming is long dead. Sonic is never going to be that way again. Of course, I've also never had a problem with Sonic Team when they wanted to try something new even then. Sonic 3D blast for example, I actually really liked, especially it's music. I think their main problem though is that they keep focusing WAY TOO MUCH on new changes. Like it's been said, the only thing gamers want from Sonic is the old style. They don't want anything new. However, I think some of the newer additions, when actually given a chance, work pretty well when it comes to updating the franchise. For instance, I can waste hours on end just with the Chao alone, or just blasting shit with Shadow's guns. And certain moves like the light speed dash are intergrated into classic Sonic play now.

But gamers need to realize that these games are and always have been MARKETED TOWARD KIDS! They are not marketed towards hardcore gamers. Quit expecting a kick ass game! The only exception was Shadow the Hedgehog, and that was hated more than all the others until the 360 one. But people seem to have forgotten that even back in the 90s, Sonic was geared toward kids. The only difference was that back then, the kids WERE the hardcore gamers. Now, kids are mainly casuals, so that's what the games are going to market.

All that said though, I'm not fond of Secret Rings or Black Night simply because the whole storybook concept seems EXTREMELY kiddish, and the plots are nothing more than sticking Sonic into Arabian Nights or King Arthur. I actually prefer my Sonic games to have some sort of continuing plot to them. I agree though, that the plots have gotten out of hand in terms of the depth. Half of the time it doesn't even make sense. But I don't care, I still enjoy them.


TL;DR Yes, I agree they are shitty, but I still enjoy some of them.


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Posted on 06-24-09 12:30:54 AM Link | Quote
Happy birthday Sonic, it's too bad that Sega can't pull them selves together and make a new 3D game featuring you that's actually good (After Sonic Adventure 2 I haven't liked any of the new sonic games, which the exception of the Rush series for the DS).

Sonic is one of many series that I would love to see pull a Mega Man 9. Sonic is probably the series that is most in need of it though .

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