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Posted on 06-21-09 03:34:41 PM Link | Quote
Jack Thompson!

NSFW.

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Posted on 06-21-09 03:39:34 PM Link | Quote

Bullshit is back!

And from the looks of things. Bigger and badder then ever!

As for Jack Thompson, you don't need this show to see how much bullshit comes out of that man's mouth.

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Posted on 06-21-09 10:02:10 PM Link | Quote
Can't see the promo since it's not available in Canada. Oh no.

But I'll be checking this out ASAP when it airs. This has potential...

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Posted on 06-24-09 07:09:32 PM Link | Quote
I don't understand the point to not allowing Canadians to view things but oh well. I'll just Youtube it later I guess!

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Posted on 07-10-09 05:54:32 PM (last edited by Bitmap at 07-10-09 02:54 PM) Link | Quote

I just got done watching this episode and the ending had me speechless. If you guys have not yet watched this episode. Go watch it right now. It's hilarious, it's bullshit, and the ending was a huge FUCK YOU to Jack Thompson and other old farts who think Violent Videogames create real life violence.

Both Pen and Teller did a great job in this episode. Excellent arguments Vs. The Bullshit.

They got a 9 year old kid who plays violent videogames and gave him a real gun to fire. The ending will strike a nerve, as it did for me. .

So, I this this episode speaks for itself. Fuck the lawyers. Thank GOD for Pen and Teller's 'Bullshit'.

Find it, watch it, enjoy.

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Posted on 07-10-09 11:39:18 PM Link | Quote
Sigh. I don't like Penn and Teller. Their arguments aren't very good. They often cherrypick non-experts in the field that they're trying to debunk, throw in some VERY ANGRY CURSING and some crappy structured situation and say "WELP, DEBUNKED!!!!!" Giving a nine year old an assault rifle to prove their point is not only straight up wrong, but terrible irresponsible. Adherents of "video games create violence" never claim that kids use assault rifles, or that kids as young as him even shoot places up at all. They mostly argue that late teens or adults use handguns or small submachineguns to shoot places up, not military assault rifles! What a straw man. Besides:



How in the hell is ANYONE supposed to fire a rifle from that position, let alone a small child?

The case against violent video games is mostly crap, but don't look to Penn and Teller for reasoning. Very few of their episodes have actually been accurately researched and correctly portray the viewpoints from both sides, and even then, they're sprinkled with exaggeration and shock value. Bah.
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Posted on 07-11-09 01:19:02 AM Link | Quote
It would be nice if some one could link a video. I had a hard time finding one on youtube.

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Posted on 07-12-09 07:08:07 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Kles
Sigh. I don't like Penn and Teller. Their arguments aren't very good. They often cherrypick non-experts in the field that they're trying to debunk, throw in some VERY ANGRY CURSING and some crappy structured situation and say "WELP, DEBUNKED!!!!!"


Well, that is why it's called Bullshit! They get these "Expert" morons on their show so people can see why they are idiots. They fight off their ideas with logic, in which case the people they talk to have no logic what so ever.

If you saw the episode: You notice they had precautions. A trained specialist, and a safety officer. Not to mention his mother gave the OK on this. So it's not like they forced him to shoot it. He did it on his own free will. And it's not like the gun is gonna jump up and go apeshit on you.

As for finding it. Look for Season 7, Episode 3 on google. That is how I found the episode.

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Posted on 07-12-09 07:45:13 PM Link | Quote
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Well, that is why it's called Bullshit! They get these "Expert" morons on their show so people can see why they are idiots. They fight off their ideas with logic, in which case the people they talk to have no logic what so ever.


Holy god no. An example would be their episode on cryptozoology (basically, the investigation of reports of reasonably large-scale creatures not yet known to science). I don't care for cryptozoology. However, I think it's not an awful thing to study. Basically, Penn and Teller faked a bigfoot thing, and then got a bunch of "cryptozoologists" to think that it's real. Except real cryptozoologists didn't fall for it for a second. They also got a "former cryptozoologist" attention whore to come on and debunk it. No chance of rebuttal from the real ones. Real fair and balanced debate, guys.

Penn and Teller are usually right when it comes to opinion based things, such as genetic modification to food, but they still have massive problems. Though I agree wholly that genetic modification of food is a good thing for feeding developing nations, who do they choose to portray as anti-genetic modification? A bunch of random hippies. What? When you're debating someone, you have to debate the highest ranked people in their field if you truly want to expose it as a bag of lies... and if you can't do that, you need to drop your side of the debate. Penn and Teller don't do either. When they cannot or are unwilling to beat actual experts in a field, they resort to mocking random idiotic mindless adherents who couldn't debate their way out of a paper bag, let alone against professional bullies like Penn and Teller.

Sorry to tell you, but there's little logic in Penn and Teller... just a ton of logical fallacies, misrepresentations, and sensationalizing. As I said, often their opinions are good (I really love this in particular), but when it comes to actual facts and arguments... it's junk.
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Posted on 07-12-09 08:32:05 PM Link | Quote

Well I am glad you dislike Pen and Teller. But honestly, that was still a good episode. *Crosses arms*

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Posted on 07-13-09 03:12:42 PM (last edited by Drag at 07-13-09 01:01 PM) Link | Quote
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Here's what I'm assuming is the episode:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

I had to do some blog diving to find these.

Edit: Just watched it. It's really entertaining. It doesn't matter who's factually correct or who's the bigger douchebag or who has more logical fallacies, this is entertaining because it presents an argument on a topic that's more relevant to me than most other topics subject to debate. Plus, the people presented here who have the strongest opposing views on violent video games are all pretty old people who likely don't even have children, and thus have no idea what they're talking about, if only because of how far out of their element that this topic is.

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