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Posted on 06-18-09 07:17:24 PM

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Considering how absolutely worthless the school district is (here, at least) in some cases it's better to just learn the material yourself and go get your GED on your own.

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Posted on 06-18-09 07:20:19 PM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Considering how absolutely worthless the school district is (here, at least) in some cases it's better to just learn the material yourself and go get your GED on your own.

This.

Some people just don't need to learn all the material schools force down your throat. There's no reason someone should be denied a diploma just because they are terrible in history and they want to major in science.

My opinion.

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Posted on 06-18-09 09:20:05 PM

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Nobody's ever done a foxgirl, to my knowledge. And Disgaea's awesome, so... yeah.

Exactly.

I can work with numbers just fine, but throw in formulas and I can not remember every single thing.

The old knowledge just gets shoved away to fit the new because I simply can't use it. Calculus is the sole reason I've given up developing games and decided to pick up web design instead.

...that, and it's a hell of a lot less stressful at times, I suppose...

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Posted on 06-18-09 10:13:09 PM

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But I love Calculus!

Errr.

Highschool is worthless. It should be abolished and a Community college style alternative developed instead.

I graduated 2 years early and just got my stuff at the Community college here. Best decision ever.

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Posted on 06-18-09 11:40:36 PM

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I was good in school until I was moved up a grade during my 6th grade year. I feel that I really missed a lot. Sure, I graduated a year early, but it was hard. Once I hit high school, I had heaps of trouble and I was worried that I wouldn't make it. But I didn't give up. Through all the bullshit that I went through, I passed. The education system here may be utter shit, but that's no reason to quit. I have nothing against people who got their GED, it's just something that, personally, I wouldn't want to get, even if it's easier and better. I can understand that are situations where someone might need to drop out. But overall, no. But this is just IMO.

And why is this in craziness?

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Posted on 06-19-09 12:17:46 AM

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I nearly ran into a situation like such, Anya. If things got much worse I'd have had to drop out to work. :/

Fortunately that's out of the way now, though...

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Posted on 06-19-09 04:10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Anya
...The education system here may be utter shit, but that's no reason to quit...

I disagree. If you have the means of finding better education by taking a GED over what you have in the curriculum you currently have and are interested in pursuing it and your life better than staying...why wouldn't you take the option if you had it?

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Posted on 06-19-09 04:20:00 AM (last edited by IIMarckus at 06-19-09 02:34 AM)

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Another GED holder here—though I was homeschooled, so my graduation options would have been wonky anyway. I was 16 and have been in community college since. Definitely the best option I could have chosen.

I did go to junior high for one year, and elementary a few years before that. From what I remember it was terrible, academically and socially. People say high school teaches socialization; I say it’s the blind leading the blind.

As for other people, well, let them do whatever they want—I’m not the one who should be saying what to do. No doubt there are plenty of cases where the best choice for a person is not to go straight to college or even get a GED in the first place.

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Posted on 06-19-09 06:51:25 AM

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I think a lot of the problems high schoolers face is the population of students in the school, much like what I faced quite a bit. Constant harassment, bullying, etc. are common in many public high schools, and a good number of private ones. Though, much of this can be blamed on mass media, the faculty rarely steps up and does anything to stem the problems effectively, short of putting a dress code (or, in extreme circumstances, a uniform) into effect.

There are good high school teachers; I've had them before, and they truly were wonderful people and educators, but the student population may be one of the more prominent reasons as to why a lot of adolescents would drop out of high school.

That's just my take on it, though.

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Posted on 06-19-09 09:00:17 AM (last edited by Bloodstar at 06-19-09 06:01 AM)

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I was one of the ones lucky enough to get a good school.

Sure, people whine about Penn Wood being poor, but I'll be damned if it doesn't make up in funding what it actually has in education.

I can't think of one teacher that failed to teach things, or wasn't friendly toward me. I actually kinda think I was better off staying, myself.

...Hell, a few teachers even send me things via email. One of them's even interested in my ZC quest, which honestly surprised me.

The student base was friendly there, too. If I hadn't switched districts, I'd have dropped out back in 2005 just so I wouldn't end up dead from all the morons in my old district.

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Posted on 06-19-09 05:28:01 PM

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'nother GED holder here.

The schools here are total shit. Really.

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Posted on 06-20-09 06:34:23 AM

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When I was in high school, there weren't that many students that dropped out. Really didn't hear many good things about them post-HS, either.

There's a lot of places here - obviously the CEGEP (college/pre-university) system and various specialized schools - that require at least a HS diploma. Otherwise you're looking at trade school, so if you really want to be a carpenter or a plumber - HEY!

Maybe I'm biased since my high school was good, but I really think you need that knowledge before you decide what to do with your life. The curriculum here is varied enough and (at least where I went) there was a good emphasis on guidance counseling in regards to post-HS studies/goals.

Sadly, I think the drop-out rate here's going to go up pretty soon with the new education reform in Quebec... it's being set up in a way where you're creating a potential crisis, since teachers can mark students individually (hey, he failed his big term paper? Make it worth 10% of his term mark instead of 40%!) and students are getting the idea that they don't need to put in any effort to get passing grades.

It's going to be a disaster.

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Posted on 06-20-09 10:16:30 AM

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Originally posted by Syaoran
teachers can mark students individually (hey, he failed his big term paper? Make it worth 10% of his term mark instead of 40%!)

...what.

If such is the case they'd probably get worse than many of OUR high schools...

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Posted on 06-20-09 10:28:12 AM

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We're still pushing for my sister to get her GED. She dropped out when she got pregnant seven months ago (and six months off of grad). She was supposed to take hers this last weekend but she keeps putting it off.

I'd rather she gets it, since it'll introduce a multitude of problems for her if she doesn't...doesn't help she's getting laid off either so it'll be something good to have.

So, in the business aspect of things, AT LEAST have a GED...high school education effectively translates to such when it comes down to it. Anymore, they're hiring for experience and not the diplomas anyways in a multitude of jobs. I'm pretty damned sure that's the only way I landed a spot that usually requires an Associate's Degree to have. References and experience sell almost as much (sometimes).

Now obviously there are jobs that's not going to fly...but on the average perspective, they're not going to care if you know the Pythagorean Theorem when it comes to fixing a BSOD.

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Posted on 06-21-09 08:44:27 AM

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	I'd probably have to suggest going with a GED, for the increase in career opportunities over nothing. Even though I didn't get a GED either (dropped out of H.S. due to stress). I know it sounds like I'm wearing a tin foil hat here. But I feel the police state mentality of modern society is fairly apparent in public education. ____________________

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Posted on 06-23-09 12:36:14 PM

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High school is utter hell for kids like me, kids who have mental disabilities like ADHD, Bipolar Disorder, and other things of that nature. I have several mood and attention disorders which made me the pariah of the whole class. They shouldn't try to mainstream kids with disabilities; it simply DOESN'T work. They either get lost and frustrated with the lack of personal instruction or they far surpass the rest of the class and given "busy" work to do. Furthermore they don't train teachers and administrators how to deal with disabled children. It's a circus! Now I made it out, I barely graduated, but that's not the case for many of the kids still in there. Most kids with mental and learning disabilities drop out because the schools are not trained or equipped to handle their special individual needs. Overall its a clusterfuck of a spent system.

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Posted on 06-23-09 01:47:11 PM

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Jeez, not being Spontaneous Madness is gonna take some getting used to...
---------------------------- Ah yes, it was hell and considering how the system is actually NOT doing high school but an alternative education could put you in a better possition.

Not to mention the whole psychological issues as everyone has said. Ussually it is bad enough in middle school already. And rarely anyone does anything about that.

As for myself... I'll just say it went horribly wrong. (Dropped out somewhere between March and May last year)
If only I had something like a GED though, I could already have skipped a year after that (or skipped high school altogether), instead of having to go through the two years what I am doing takes to. But eh, result is the same.

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Posted on 06-23-09 05:27:00 PM

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I went to a public school from start to finish and had no problems. I was never in danger of failing or dropping out, and I always had consistently good grades despite the poor school system.

That said, I believe there are major issues with the CURRENT SYSTEM OF American education. I also believe that it really is not the place of the student to decide whether or not they should complete school unless there is substantial evidence that they may need an alternative, again within the CURRENT SYSTEM of education.

IDEALLY, we should have the ability to mold people, or to allow people to mold themselves. There should be a lot more conformity and stricter standards outside of the field of education, and freer pursuit of knowledge within it. Failing students should be removed from the system entirely and forced to restart their chosen route of education -- the GED serves to accomplish this by allowing dropouts to pursue education based on what they believe is an adequate personal standard of success, but the ACTUAL standards for success, depending on where and when the GED is acquired, skew the overall talent and merit of recipients to the point where it, much like a standard high school diploma, is rapidly becoming meaningless.

People should be permitted to pursue whatever circumstances for education they desire, and be allowed any education they ask for -- regardless of language or financial status. However, should anyone not take this opportunity, they should be barred from functioning in society. Education should be compulsory -- what the person pursues within that requirement is up to them. In this way, a person's merit will be individualized and tailored to the life they choose to lead.

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