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Posted on 03-01-09 01:00:01 AM Link | Quote
The Jr. High had web filter on steroids. You can't go anywhere there. They were on highly-disabled Macs, the only cusotomization allowed were changing the background images.

At the Sr. High here now, the web filter blocks pretty much just porn and a couple ports. You can get anywhere really now. But they're all super-disabled windows computers....

Except in the Com Tech rooms, those all have perfectly accessible Macs in them.

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Posted on 03-01-09 01:36:55 AM Link | Quote
How many of us here think that the more security there is, the greater the chance is that someone will try to deep six it?

I do...the button is there for the pressing...even larger if there's more to touch.

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Posted on 03-01-09 01:39:08 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Viarra
Our schools disabled right-clicking.


That made my day... XD

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Posted on 03-01-09 01:59:46 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Nao
How many of us here think that the more security there is, the greater the chance is that someone will try to deep six it?

I do...the button is there for the pressing...even larger if there's more to touch.


That's actually endlessly tempting. I mean, shit... it's basically as if they're trying to force boredom and such on one. I hear "oh, distractions" so much from staff, but... why should they worry? It's not their loss if morons decide to just browse the internet all class and not do work...

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Posted on 03-01-09 03:25:11 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Nao
How many of us here think that the more security there is, the greater the chance is that someone will try to deep six it?

I do...the button is there for the pressing...even larger if there's more to touch.

I wholeheartedly agree.
That's why when I was at my friend's (who, conveniently, works with my school's IT department as a volunteer) house, I 'obtained' the school's WLAN WEP key.
Now, the in-school computers have a Baracuda filter, but the ones that access via WLAN don't. Yay~

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Posted on 03-01-09 09:50:14 PM (last edited by Sock99 at 03-01-09 06:50 PM) Link | Quote
...My school has macs

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Posted on 03-01-09 09:55:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Sock99
...My school has macs ;_;
O_O
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Posted on 03-02-09 02:24:13 PM Link | Quote

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My high school had decent security. There's a little bit of it on the network servers to keep students from accessing folders they shouldn't, regedit is disabled, and run has been removed from the taskbar. There was netsentron on the internet, but that was beaten by anything https (or radmin ). Grade eight year, nobody had heard of emus/roms. Grade nine year, I started bringing my rom hack to school on a CD and letting people load the game then pass the CD on to others. By the end of the year ROMS and emus were completely banned because people had filled the 300-gbyte server full of SNES roms XD

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Posted on 03-02-09 05:09:44 PM Link | Quote
That is awesome.
Too bad our school ran all macs... D:
We actually had Apple IIs in the basement... I learned to type on those bad boys.

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Posted on 03-02-09 11:20:52 PM (last edited by Erika at 03-02-09 08:21 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Sock99
...My school has macs

Which means it probably has full functionality, so you're complaining because...? Macs aren't that bad any more as long as you know how to use a computer
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Posted on 03-02-09 11:21:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Erika
Originally posted by Sock99
...My school has macs

Which means it probably has full functionality, so you're complaining because...?


No Touhous on Mac.

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Posted on 03-02-09 11:22:21 PM Link | Quote
Speaking of school computers - mine recently updated their sets, but they still run Windows XP, which is odd.
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Posted on 03-03-09 10:58:50 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Erika
Originally posted by Sock99
...My school has macs

Which means it probably has full functionality, so you're complaining because...? Macs aren't that bad any more as long as you know how to use a computer



Trust me, most school Macs I've seen were pure shit vs. the PCs.

(then again, it's not like I've seen a million of them)
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Posted on 03-03-09 11:49:15 AM Link | Quote

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Okay so... barring in mind that High Schools really don't know how to logically secure anything...

1) Web filters set up at the *COUNTY* level (this wasnt your daddy's web filter boy >>)
2) All of the more common things blocked (command, changing the desktop, etc)
3) No C: access (though that was easily gotten around with a shortcut)
4) .bat files wouldnt run (this is not handy when you're in a freaking CS class >>;;; )
5) About every port you can think of was locked which made even internet surfing hard.

Ironically, my senior year they got rid of the C drive restriction while tightening others... which just made breaking things even easier. Woo~

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Posted on 03-03-09 11:55:25 AM Link | Quote
County level? What'd they do just secure the whole district servers that were all connected via K12 / academic means?

That sounds fairly overkill.

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Posted on 03-03-09 07:39:51 PM (last edited by Sock99 at 03-03-09 04:40 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Erika
Originally posted by Sock99
...My school has macs

Which means it probably has full functionality, so you're complaining because...? Macs aren't that bad any more as long as you know how to use a computer


The reason i don't like having macs in school is because the security on it is too hard to get past... Everyday they block any proxies me and my friends find.


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Posted on 03-03-09 08:08:40 PM Link | Quote
No different on a PC.

Can be even worse on one depending on the OS.

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Posted on 03-21-09 01:24:27 AM Link | Quote
Wow.

At my old school, the computers had NO restrictions. People could do whatever they wanted. There was, however, a contract that all students who wished to use the computers had to sign which said that students couldn't mess up the computers or go to inappropriate websites.

It was a good system; no annoying security, but no worries for the teachers.

Of course, this only worked because that was a very small private school (my grade had only 3 kids in it) where the students were trustworthy.
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Posted on 03-21-09 02:47:17 AM Link | Quote
At my school we use computers with Windows XP for business classes and Macs for art classes. The security at my school is a pain but luckily it still hasn't blocked Jul. Even if it did block websites that i go to I could still easily get around the security by using a portable web browser or by downloading another one and installing it (It's really that simple to bypass security at my school ).

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Posted on 03-21-09 04:53:34 AM Link | Quote
My highschool was VERY small. As in, there were only 20 people in my graduating class, and that was more than was typical. Even classifying it as a highschool isn't quite right, as it's more K-12 with the Elementary (and cafeteria) in one building and the Jr/Sr Highschool (and auditorium) in the other, with seperate buildings for the gym, music room, and vocational agriculture. Go ahead, look that last one up. It means farming/ranching. Yeah.

So no, we never had any restrictions. Hell, if there was a computer problem in the school, the chain of command went:

The Computer Literacy Teacher (unless I was already in the room or was closer) -> Me -> The IT guys that had to be called in.

And if I couldn't fix it, the IT guys usually couldn't either. Of course, if I couldn't fix it, 95% chance is it was a printer. I hate printers.

Moving on to college....

The computer labs at my college basically fall into three categories...

The Computer Science lab:

One computer, many terminals. Running Linux. No web restrictions, but everything's logged. At the end of each semester, the accounts of all non-CS-majors are deleted, and the accounts of the CS majors get their passwords reset. So, fresh accounts/passwords each semester assure that only the people who are supposed to be using the lab are using the lab. CS majors' accounts are also deleted after they've not enrolled in any CS classes for a couple semesters (be it because of graduation, change of major, or whatever).

Communication/Art Department labs:

Macs. No web filters. Some things are blocked on most of them (chess, lol), but nothing that really gets in the way. I've only run into one where I couldn't access the system settings, which only annoyed me because it had one of those mice with the scroll balls and the left/right scroll was set to the back/forward buttons for web browsing. So you'd be casually scrolling down a page and then- Ooops you moved your finger slightly to the left, you've suddenly moved back one or more pages in your browsing history.

Anyway, I don't really have problems with the restrictions on the macs, just the macness of them (some of them have mice without right-click). They all basically have the same username/pass for the non-admin account, but if you weren't in the Art/Comm departments you wouldn't know it.

General Computer labs (most of them):

Windows XP, bullshit restrictions, I'm not aware of any web filters, but it wouldn't surprise me. I basically never use these, and am better off for it. That's why I can't think of any specifics on the restrictions off the top of my head.

BONUS CATEGORY: Wireless network:

My college also has an open wireless network, which doesn't really have a filter, but it does have restrictions on what you're allowed to use it for (assuming you can get a signal, which is near impossible across most of the campus). Gaming? Ban. Torrents (even if they're legal)? Ban. Generous illegal downloading? Ban.

I'm pretty sure the banning is just done through a MAC address filter, and it's cleared every semester. The school likes to boast a bit about how it provides the internet for the students (of course, it's coming out of our fees), but basically everyone I know who lives on campus signs up for cable internet, because besides the restrictions, the nigh-non-existent signal strength, and a speed that's barely better than 56k, the school network is just not worth using.... Except in certain non-dorm areas, via a laptop.

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