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Posted on 06-09-10 08:23:28 AM Link | Quote
Quite the listing for the PSP and DS respectively.

Dissidia: Final Fantasy is on top for the PSP with 5+ million downloads estimated, topping the PSP list. Pokemon Platinum tops the DS list with about 2 million.
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Posted on 06-09-10 08:24:26 AM Link | Quote
Considering that everyone probably owns about five copies of the same final fantasy game/pokemon game it's not that big a deal I think.
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Posted on 06-09-10 08:25:23 AM Link | Quote
I'm kind of curious what rectum they pulled those numbers out of, to be honest.

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Posted on 06-09-10 08:26:00 AM Link | Quote
That's what I'm wondering as well.

That and the whole 'losses' figure, which doesn't take into account used game sales and whatnot.
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Posted on 06-09-10 08:27:26 AM Link | Quote
Unless they have some sort of online multiplayer where they can look at CD Keys sold vs fake key attempts or something, I imagine it is like just about every other piracy number and pulled out of a board meeting's collective arse.
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Posted on 06-09-10 08:27:30 AM Link | Quote
"Losses" is (and has always been) a shifty figure for "piracy", simply because one download ≠ one lost sale.

It does make for big numbers, though!

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Posted on 06-09-10 08:56:40 AM Link | Quote
Considering that people can download and forget, download and archive, download again because they lost it/deleted it, bots can count as hits, I'm pretty sure these numbers are skewed.

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Posted on 06-09-10 01:42:59 PM (last edited by Orlandu at 06-09-10 10:43 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
"Losses" is (and has always been) a shifty figure for "piracy", simply because one download ≠ one lost sale.

It does make for big numbers, though!

Most of the games I got a while ago for my PSP weren't ones I would usually buy, except for maybe Final Fantasy Tactics:The Lion Wars. So your logic is sound. But for some people, they only download ones they want which could mean a lost sale. But if they don't have the money to buy it in the first place, then its not lost. Just never would have been.

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Posted on 06-09-10 03:02:29 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
"Losses" is (and has always been) a shifty figure for "piracy", simply because one download ≠ one lost sale.

It does make for big numbers, though!

I downloaded D2PSP after buying it simply because CSO/ISO loading is faster than UMD :|

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Posted on 06-09-10 04:31:30 PM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Xkeeper
"Losses" is (and has always been) a shifty figure for "piracy", simply because one download ≠ one lost sale.

It does make for big numbers, though!

Yep, I downloaded the rom of Sonic Advance, back when it was newish and GBA emulation was still kinda young.

That inspired me to go out and buy the actual cart version of Sonic Advance for my real GBA.

So yeah, I really hate when staticians (by the way, fuck statistics and their dumbass STAT classes at colleges, it's all hogwash) make that equation. The only way a download would = a lost sale is if downloading somehow locked the user out from buying it later. As far as I know, I don't know any sites or stores or anything that does this.

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Posted on 06-09-10 05:01:39 PM Link | Quote
My parents don't understand the concept of One Download != One Lost Sale. I tried explaining it to them for like, 45 minutes, and still lost the argument because they wouldn't believe me and in general think piracy is a bad bad thing. I guess the argument that if you can't pay for it you don't deserve to have it sort of does make sense.

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Posted on 06-09-10 07:12:00 PM Link | Quote
I've downloaded a lot of games, but the vast majority of them were either duplicates of games I own(ed) or games that are no longer being manufactured (at least pre-Virtual Console), often both. So I wouldn't say I've cost the gaming industry too many sales

But yeah, if my CD broke, or the system and games are at my parents', or whatever, I'll just download it. It's more convenient to play on my computer, too

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Posted on 06-09-10 08:08:55 PM Link | Quote
I think the easiest way you can demonstrate how piracy is not necessarily a lost sale is with Sonic Genesis. Nobody in their right mind should pay for that garbage, but everyone should give it a shot at least once (it's a great way to lower your expectations forever)

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Posted on 06-09-10 08:12:06 PM Link | Quote
Even easier would just to show yourself downloading a game you already own.


That should convince most that are smart enough to deserve convincing.

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Posted on 06-11-10 12:47:58 AM (last edited by HyperHacker at 06-10-10 09:51 PM) Link | Quote
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Mhm, if I'd paid for every game/movie/show/song/program I downloaded, used once, said "man, fuck this" and deleted, I'd be bankrupt 12 times over. Just about every one I do buy, I then proceed to copy/download for backup purposes, and just about every CD I've bought, I bought specifically because I downloaded one or two of the songs and liked them. Boy I sure am a terrible pirate stealing from the authors like that huh?

Especially, I'm sure many people download copies of all their console games (easier than ripping) and play them from hard drives on their modded consoles. I don't trust the PS2 disc drive (and I worry about the Wii's as well), UMD is just retarded (some games don't even work because of the lag, yet run just fine from a nice fast memory card), and the convenience is undeniable. Then on top of that you don't have to worry about ruining your only copy.

Remember when VCRs were going to kill the movie industry?

(The delicious irony is that with newer consoles all having standardized disc formats, USB/SD/etc, and a kernel that prevents games from actually touching the hardware and OS, modding has gotten significantly easier. Remember modchips on the PSX and horribly expensive cartridge copiers? Compared to softmods and HD loaders that live in the kernel where the game can do absolutely dick all about them if it can even detect them. Nice going guys!)

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Posted on 06-11-10 06:45:41 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Then on top of that you don't have to worry about ruining your only copy.
My Megaman: Powered Up UMD was heavily damaged when the plastic window came loose, releasing plastic and glue shards into the case, which happily worked their way to the underside of the disc and proceeded to scratch the hell out of it. This all happened while the game was being carried in an officially-licensed padded UMD case.

I just downloaded the ISO after that incident. Like hell I was going to buy another copy.

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Here's a more graphic interpretation.
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Posted on 06-16-10 05:30:50 PM Link | Quote
Damn, that's a lot of downloads. Either those games are really good to the point that they warrant downloading, or really bad that people want to download it just to try it.

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Posted on 06-16-10 09:12:44 PM Link | Quote
Did you guys read the comments at the latest article. Some of the stuff people say there is just. ugh!

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line 367 column 614 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 367 column 921 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "000000" and has been replaced
line 367 column 933 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "000000" and has been replaced
line 367 column 997 - Warning: <font> attribute "color" had invalid value "000000" and has been replaced
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line 408 column 16 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 408 column 59 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 408 column 102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 408 column 145 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 408 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 408 column 188 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 408 column 188 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 408 column 231 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 408 column 231 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 408 column 274 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 408 column 274 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 408 column 317 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 408 column 317 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 408 column 360 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 408 column 360 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 408 column 403 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 440 column 42 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 440 column 85 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 128 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 128 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 171 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 171 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 214 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 214 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 257 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 257 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 300 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 300 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 343 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 343 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 386 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 386 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 429 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 429 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 472 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 472 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 440 column 515 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 440 column 515 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 445 column 37 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 477 column 805 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 477 column 805 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 479 column 1017 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 479 column 1017 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 513 column 16 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 513 column 59 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 513 column 59 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 513 column 102 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 513 column 102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 513 column 145 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 513 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 513 column 188 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 513 column 188 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 513 column 231 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 513 column 231 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 565 column 4102 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 565 column 4102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 587 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 594 column 263 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 594 column 728 - Warning: <td> attribute "align" has invalid value "top"
line 596 column 1689 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 596 column 1870 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 596 column 2050 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 629 column 16 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 629 column 16 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 629 column 59 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 629 column 59 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 629 column 102 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 629 column 102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 629 column 145 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 629 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 629 column 188 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 629 column 188 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 629 column 231 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 629 column 231 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 657 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 657 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 657 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 658 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 668 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 502 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 675 column 502 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 624 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 676 column 758 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 685 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 685 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 685 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 694 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 699 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 149 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 341 column 3073 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 341 column 3310 - Warning: trimming empty <i>
line 367 column 866 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 367 column 921 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 427 column 742 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 594 column 808 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 648 column 317 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 679 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 682 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 205 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 231 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 257 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 285 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 311 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 339 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 341 column 2776 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 365 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 367 column 157 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 367 column 219 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "cellpadding"
line 367 column 219 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 367 column 298 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 367 column 387 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 394 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 425 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 450 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 475 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 477 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 504 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 530 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 532 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 559 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 592 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 594 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 594 column 155 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 594 column 366 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 594 column 460 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 594 column 543 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 594 column 646 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 594 column 728 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 596 column 1509 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 596 column 1600 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 596 column 1777 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 596 column 1961 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 620 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 646 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 648 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 673 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 675 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 675 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 463 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md