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Aoi Member Level: 26 Posts: 152/181 EXP: 95906 For next: 6369 Since: 07-18-10 Since last post: 870 days Last activity: 870 days	Posted on 05-17-11 03:01:36 PM Link | Quote
	Did that Carinsurancequotes bot have a valid email address, or was it actually exploiting something (hope not; I'm paranoid, though )? It seemed to get around to posting about as fast as the bots did before the new measures were implemented.

sister miyagi 50 Level: 15 Posts: 35/50 EXP: 14275 For next: 2109 Since: 04-29-10 From: Illinois Since last post: 411 days Last activity: 3 days	Posted on 05-17-11 11:11:34 PM Link | Quote
	Why not captchas? Also, have you guys tried this stuff?

BMF54123 Rhea Snaketail Slightly frazzled... Level: 125 Posts: 4024/5652 EXP: 21923307 For next: 530857 Since: 07-03-07 From: Neither here nor there. Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 hours

Posted on 05-18-11 04:59:54 AM Link | Quote

Captchas don't work if there is a human filling in the fields, as I suspect was the case with the last couple of spambots. The problem's only going to get worse as labor gets cheaper and spammers get more desperate. I think the only way we're going to stop human spammers is via either manual validation (time-consuming, not 100% effective) or disabling registration entirely (not a viable option). --------------------

YK Permabanned! At some point you just have to cease and de-racist. Level: NaN Posts: 577/-665 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 06-25-10 From: Oregon Since last post: 1126 days Last activity: 814 days	Posted on 05-19-11 01:55:16 AM Link | Quote
	Originally posted by Waffle Ryebread I think the only way we're going to stop human spammers is via either manual validation (time-consuming, not 100% effective) or disabling registration entirely (not a viable option). It's both sad and frustrating that sites keep having to resort to drastic measures like this to keep out friggin' spam... --------------------

Zelda Immortal Member Level: 14 Posts: 33/43 EXP: 12708 For next: 363 Since: 03-24-09 Since last post: 206 days Last activity: 722 days

Posted on 05-19-11 05:06:11 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by YK Originally posted by Waffle Ryebread I think the only way we're going to stop human spammers is via either manual validation (time-consuming, not 100% effective) or disabling registration entirely (not a viable option). It's both sad and frustrating that sites keep having to resort to drastic measures like this to keep out friggin' spam... Glad I signed up before this. I hate spambots, But Manual Activation has a tendency to freak out (not "freak out" per-say but things can get "ugly").

Liliana "A horrible person". That's what it says. "A horrible person." We weren't even testing for that. Level: NaN Posts: 2691/-3841 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 07-23-07 Since last post: 990 days Last activity: 944 days	Posted on 05-20-11 11:39:24 AM Link | Quote
	Well now it doesn't look like there's anyone human behind this. They probably just improved their features to get past all the anti-spam features. --------------------

Nicole Disk-kun Level: 131 Posts: 3928/6325 EXP: 25935387 For next: 489233 Since: 07-06-07 From: Massachusetts Since last post: 134 days Last activity: 1 day	Posted on 05-20-11 11:41:26 AM Link | Quote
	E-mail validation is probably something that bots could be programmed to deal with- did anyone take a look at what the spambots were using for e-mail addresses before evaporating their accounts? --------------------

BMF54123 Rhea Snaketail Slightly frazzled... Level: 125 Posts: 4033/5652 EXP: 21923307 For next: 530857 Since: 07-03-07 From: Neither here nor there. Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 hours

Posted on 05-20-11 01:28:57 PM (last edited by Waffle Ryebread at 05-20-11 01:48 PM) Link | Quote

You know, we already do something similar to manual validation, in that spambot accounts are manually banned (usually) the same day they register, whether they've submitted something or not. If we had a way to sort new, unvalidated users into a nice list that the admins could check on a regular basis, it would make the process a lot quicker and easier, and ensure that nobody gets ignored. Yes, this might mean that new users have to wait a few hours to start submitting things, but I think it's a small price to pay to keep spammers from spreading their filth (and keep the Recent Changes page clean). --------------------

Rick Competition Steamroller Level: 128 Posts: 4207/6985 EXP: 24094539 For next: 287161 Since: 02-15-10 From: Maine Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 1 day	Posted on 05-20-11 02:06:30 PM Link | Quote
	I think I'm gonna agree with BMF on this one. Most of the admins have had to prune the spamusers anyway, so manual validation wouldn't be that much of a step. I mean fuck, there's like eight or nine of us (me included), so I think with that many people admining it, it wouldn't take long for someone to jump in and do a spambot sweep. --------------------

Keitaro Fire Snake LOVELY ARRANGEMENT. VOLCANO BAKEMEAT Level: 62 Posts: 832/1179 EXP: 1910572 For next: 74114 Since: 09-09-08 From: California Since last post: 371 days Last activity: 2 hours	Posted on 05-22-11 05:15:09 AM Link | Quote
	Didn't you do something on an old incarnation of the forums wherein there was a hidden field that auto-banned bots, that field being something they almost all would do upon sign-up? Perhaps that would work again.

sister miyagi 50 Level: 15 Posts: 36/50 EXP: 14275 For next: 2109 Since: 04-29-10 From: Illinois Since last post: 411 days Last activity: 3 days	Posted on 05-23-11 04:20:05 PM Link | Quote
	Originally posted by Keitaro Didn't you do something on an old incarnation of the forums wherein there was a hidden field that auto-banned bots, that field being something they almost all would do upon sign-up? Perhaps that would work again. It would function as a handy idiot check, too.

BMF54123 Rhea Snaketail Slightly frazzled... Level: 125 Posts: 4043/5652 EXP: 21923307 For next: 530857 Since: 07-03-07 From: Neither here nor there. Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 hours	Posted on 05-23-11 07:44:23 PM Link | Quote
	The end of spambots, hopefully. Onward! --------------------

YK Permabanned! At some point you just have to cease and de-racist. Level: NaN Posts: 583/-665 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 06-25-10 From: Oregon Since last post: 1126 days Last activity: 814 days	Posted on 05-25-11 05:03:40 PM Link | Quote
	Originally posted by Waffle Ryebread The end of spambots, hopefully. Onward! Two more registered today and were banned... the same garden variety FirstnameLastname# ones, though... --------------------

Rick Competition Steamroller Level: 128 Posts: 4240/6985 EXP: 24094539 For next: 287161 Since: 02-15-10 From: Maine Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 1 day	Posted on 05-25-11 05:29:28 PM Link | Quote
	Too soon to say whether the other ones have fully been kicked though. They were kinda infrequent. --------------------

TomoAlien Member Level: 14 Posts: 30/45 EXP: 11248 For next: 1823 Since: 12-27-10 Since last post: 313 days Last activity: 10 hours	Posted on 06-08-11 03:53:03 PM Link | Quote
	The Planescape Torment article should be featured, it's high quality and rich in content. http://tcrf.net/Planescape:_Torment This brings me to wanting a feature that allows users to nominate the articles.

Liliana "A horrible person". That's what it says. "A horrible person." We weren't even testing for that. Level: NaN Posts: 2867/-3841 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 07-23-07 Since last post: 990 days Last activity: 944 days	Posted on 06-12-11 08:33:40 PM Link | Quote
	Soo, what do we do with Nintendo DS title screens? At the moment it is a mess, with some pages using only the top screen and others using both. Which one should we use? --------------------

Nicole Disk-kun Level: 131 Posts: 4174/6325 EXP: 25935387 For next: 489233 Since: 07-06-07 From: Massachusetts Since last post: 134 days Last activity: 1 day

Posted on 06-12-11 08:36:39 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Liliana Soo, what do we do with Nintendo DS title screens? At the moment it is a mess, with some pages using only the top screen and others using both. Which one should we use? Sittin on the top screen kickin on the bottom screen gotta make my mind up wh-*shot* Anyway, my personal preference is to use both screens- it does take up more vertical space on the page, but I don't think it's that much of an issue... --------------------

Aoi Member Level: 26 Posts: 156/181 EXP: 95906 For next: 6369 Since: 07-18-10 Since last post: 870 days Last activity: 870 days

Posted on 06-12-11 11:33:07 PM (last edited by Aoi at 06-12-11 11:39 PM) Link | Quote

If the 'other screen' is little more than a separate screen with, say, a "Touch Here to Start!" message, I'd probably consider removing it, though. Of course, that could bring up potential problems - don't Desmume and No$ take captures of both screens at the same time? - someone less experienced in graphic editing could possibly lower the quality of the image considerably while trying to crop out the lower screen, for example.

Liliana "A horrible person". That's what it says. "A horrible person." We weren't even testing for that. Level: NaN Posts: 2879/-3841 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 07-23-07 Since last post: 990 days Last activity: 944 days	Posted on 06-14-11 09:58:55 AM Link | Quote
	Of course, if a contributor cannot even crop a screen properly, what is he supposed to do here? I don't think that should be an issue at all. --------------------

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line 579 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 605 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
Info: Document content looks like HTML Proprietary
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
464 warnings, 0 errors were found!


The table summary attribute should be used to describe
the table structure. It is very helpful for people using
non-visual browsers. The scope and headers attributes for
table cells are useful for specifying which headers apply
to each table cell, enabling non-visual browsers to provide
a meaningful context for each cell.

The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
. You may also want to try
"http://www.cast.org/bobby/" which is a free Web-based
service for checking URLs for accessibility.

You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

To learn more about HTML Tidy see http://tidy.sourceforge.net
Please fill bug reports and queries using the "tracker" on the Tidy web site.
Additionally, questions can be sent to html-tidy@w3.org
HTML and CSS specifications are available from http://www.w3.org/
Lobby your company to join W3C, see http://www.w3.org/Consortium