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Teflon Member Level: 51 Posts: 435/871 EXP: 983855 For next: 30083 Since: 10-12-10 Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 7 hours	Posted on 02-25-11 06:34:27 PM (last edited by Teflon at 02-25-11 06:34 PM) Link | Quote
	Have you guys considered having more Featured Articles? There are some, like the Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening page, that are damn good. --------------------

xdaniel 560 Level: 45 Posts: 182/562 EXP: 616550 For next: 43614 Since: 12-04-08 From: Germany Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 1 hour	Posted on 02-26-11 12:15:36 PM Link | Quote
	>>ESTABLISHING LINK...DONE.    >>FETCHING POST DATA...DONE.    >>EXECUTING POSTDISP.BIN... Just wondering, is the server TCRF is on being hammered by requests again, or is it a problem on my end that it tends to not load correctly (timeouts etc.) for me the last few days? -------------------- cu xdaniel Kagami - Desktop: Kazari - Notebook:

Teflon Member Level: 51 Posts: 458/871 EXP: 983855 For next: 30083 Since: 10-12-10 Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 7 hours	Posted on 02-26-11 12:55:09 PM Link | Quote
	It's been working fine for me. --------------------

Rick Competition Steamroller Level: 128 Posts: 2920/6985 EXP: 24093092 For next: 288608 Since: 02-15-10 From: Maine Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 1 day	Posted on 02-26-11 03:16:34 PM Link | Quote
	Same here. Insofar as featured articles go, maybe we should take another little vote or something as to what articles should be considered 'Featured Articles'. --------------------

Joe Common spammer Where's Tama? Level: 97 Posts: 1900/3166 EXP: 9139125 For next: 178200 Since: 08-02-07 From: Pororoca Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 5 hours	Posted on 02-26-11 03:17:22 PM (last edited by Joe at 02-26-11 03:20 PM) Link | Quote
	Originally posted by xdaniel Just wondering, is the server TCRF is on being hammered by requests again, or is it a problem on my end that it tends to not load correctly (timeouts etc.) for me the last few days? Probably neither: minecraft.net is having constant issues. Right now, the website won't even load. --------------------

YK Permabanned! At some point you just have to cease and de-racist. Level: NaN Posts: 234/-665 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 06-25-10 From: Oregon Since last post: 1126 days Last activity: 814 days

Posted on 02-26-11 03:18:17 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Teflon Have you guys considered having more Featured Articles? There are some, like the Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening page, that are damn good. Link's Awakening *is* a Featured Article. It's just that nobody can decide who should make a "Featured" blurb for it. A few other pages, such as Fallout: New Vegas, and the Megaman 7 prototype, are also Featured, but lack the main page blurbs.

Teflon Member Level: 51 Posts: 461/871 EXP: 983855 For next: 30083 Since: 10-12-10 Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 7 hours

Posted on 02-26-11 03:20:35 PM (last edited by Teflon at 02-26-11 03:21 PM) Link | Quote

Originally posted by YK Originally posted by Teflon Have you guys considered having more Featured Articles? There are some, like the Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening page, that are damn good. Link's Awakening *is* a Featured Article. It's just that nobody can decide who should make a "Featured" blurb for it. A few other pages, such as Fallout: New Vegas, and the Megaman 7 prototype, are also Featured, but lack the main page blurbs. I noticed after I posted that. EDIT: I don't mind a discussion about what should be in a featured article. --------------------

YK Permabanned! At some point you just have to cease and de-racist. Level: NaN Posts: 235/-665 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 06-25-10 From: Oregon Since last post: 1126 days Last activity: 814 days

Posted on 02-26-11 03:29:05 PM Link | Quote

That said, I think the FF6 page is very close to getting Featured status. But it just doesn't seem complete unless I can find a way to hack in the unused key items. I can't find anything on them, though. No FAQs mention them. No editors support key item editing. I can't find them in the ROM, nor can I find where the key items stored in savestates. And although one Game Genie code list has codes to get them, they don't work (none of the codes in that section work, as a matter of fact). And I tried them on several versions of the game.

Liliana "A horrible person". That's what it says. "A horrible person." We weren't even testing for that. Level: NaN Posts: 2253/-3841 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 07-23-07 Since last post: 990 days Last activity: 944 days	Posted on 02-26-11 03:30:57 PM Link | Quote
	For one, Majora's Mask still needs lots of work (and I need to stop being lazy) before it can get anywhere near featured. -------------------- Most people who visit your Web pages are there in search of useful or entertaining information, not to admire your fancy graphics skills or HTML prowess. — Apple Web Design Guide, 1996

Teflon Member Level: 51 Posts: 464/871 EXP: 983855 For next: 30083 Since: 10-12-10 Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 7 hours	Posted on 02-26-11 03:40:52 PM Link | Quote
	I posted a separate discussion about featured article status. Check it out. --------------------

rabidabid Member Level: 18 Posts: 21/82 EXP: 28874 For next: 1023 Since: 08-25-10 Since last post: 15 days Last activity: 2 days

Posted on 02-27-11 11:03:01 PM Link | Quote

Couple questions. Should demos be counted as prototypes? I mean like demos that were publicly released on demo discs or something (see Proto:Chrono Cross). Maybe they should have their own label, like say Demo:Chrono Cross? Or would that just complicate stuff and it's enough to just say the page is covering the demo version of the game? Either way, I think demos should definitely be covered on the site, just maybe not lumped together with the stuff we weren't meant to get a hold of. Question 2: Is it worth creating a page just for regional differences if there's a decent amount?

Teflon Member Level: 51 Posts: 524/871 EXP: 983855 For next: 30083 Since: 10-12-10 Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 7 hours

Posted on 02-27-11 11:25:11 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by rabidabid Couple questions. Should demos be counted as prototypes? I mean like demos that were publicly released on demo discs or something (see Proto:Chrono Cross). Maybe they should have their own label, like say Demo:Chrono Cross? Or would that just complicate stuff and it's enough to just say the page is covering the demo version of the game? Either way, I think demos should definitely be covered on the site, just maybe not lumped together with the stuff we weren't meant to get a hold of. Question 2: Is it worth creating a page just for regional differences if there's a decent amount? As long as it's made before the game comes out I don't see why not. Quake 2 has a demo that came out before the game was released, and it had a few elements that didn't make it into the final version. I'd label it as a prototype. Same with the Chrono Cross Demo, but it's unused content is mostly buried in the files. I've seen people use subpages to deal with regional differences. --------------------

Rick Competition Steamroller Level: 128 Posts: 3076/6985 EXP: 24093092 For next: 288608 Since: 02-15-10 From: Maine Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 1 day

Posted on 02-27-11 11:45:59 PM Link | Quote

I honestly think it all depends. Just what kind of demo are we talking about anyway? If it's something like an E3/Trade Show demo, I think I would label that under prototype. If it's a separate released demo altogether, well...hmm, then it blurs the line a little more, but I don't know enough about stuff like Playstation demos and what not in order to make a clear judgement. Were these things usually released well beforehand>? --------------------

Teflon Member Level: 51 Posts: 548/871 EXP: 983855 For next: 30083 Since: 10-12-10 Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 7 hours	Posted on 02-27-11 11:54:03 PM Link | Quote
	I say it depends of how long it was between the demo and the final game came out. If there's a large to medium gap, I'd consider it a prototype. If it was released about a month or so before the final game came out, probably not. --------------------

GoldS Member Level: 33 Posts: 138/305 EXP: 218035 For next: 11144 Since: 03-15-10 Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 5 hours	Posted on 02-28-11 02:28:08 AM Link | Quote
	Originally posted by YK A few other pages, such as Fallout: New Vegas, and the Megaman 7 prototype, are also Featured, but lack the main page blurbs. Added the Mega Man 7 prototype to the featured article cycle. It only took me 5 months!

YK Permabanned! At some point you just have to cease and de-racist. Level: NaN Posts: 257/-665 EXP: NaN For next: 0 Since: 06-25-10 From: Oregon Since last post: 1126 days Last activity: 814 days	Posted on 02-28-11 02:31:47 AM Link | Quote
	Originally posted by GoldS Added the Mega Man 7 prototype to the featured article cycle. It only took me 5 months! Great. Now I guess we flip a coin and decide who gets to do the Link's Awakening featured blurb.

Teflon Member Level: 51 Posts: 584/871 EXP: 983855 For next: 30083 Since: 10-12-10 Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 7 hours	Posted on 02-28-11 08:33:08 PM Link | Quote
	Quickie question: Should prototypes be listed on a series' navbox? I did that with the Serious Sam one, and IMO, it looks fine. --------------------

Rick Competition Steamroller Level: 128 Posts: 3117/6985 EXP: 24093092 For next: 288608 Since: 02-15-10 From: Maine Since last post: 7 days Last activity: 1 day	Posted on 02-28-11 10:00:39 PM Link | Quote
	Yeah, make sure to add a link to it either on the Bob or the series template or whatever. Take a look at some of the other articles with prototypes on them (the major ones) to see what I mean. --------------------

Teflon Member Level: 51 Posts: 597/871 EXP: 983855 For next: 30083 Since: 10-12-10 Since last post: 20 days Last activity: 7 hours

Posted on 02-28-11 10:31:34 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Rick Yeah, make sure to add a link to it either on the Bob or the series template or whatever. Take a look at some of the other articles with prototypes on them (the major ones) to see what I mean. I always make sure to link to a proto page on the main page's Bob template. Cool. I'm in the mood to make a few more series templates, and I wanted to be sure if it was okay if I linked to prototype pages. --------------------

rabidabid Member Level: 18 Posts: 24/82 EXP: 28874 For next: 1023 Since: 08-25-10 Since last post: 15 days Last activity: 2 days	Posted on 03-01-11 09:29:18 PM Link | Quote
	Originally posted by Teflon Originally posted by rabidabid Question 2: Is it worth creating a page just for regional differences if there's a decent amount? I've seen people use subpages to deal with regional differences. I mean like a whole new page for a whole new game. :x

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line 257 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 264 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 267 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
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line 280 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 287 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 290 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 300 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 304 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 304 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 304 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 304 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 305 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 311 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 314 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 322 column 685 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 322 column 685 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 328 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
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line 342 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 350 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
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line 354 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 354 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 355 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 361 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 364 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 368 column 74 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 368 column 408 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "width"
line 375 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 379 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 379 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 379 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 379 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 380 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 386 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 389 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 397 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 401 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 401 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 401 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 401 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 402 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 408 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 411 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 423 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 427 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 427 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 427 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 427 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 428 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 434 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 437 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 453 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 457 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 457 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 457 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 457 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 458 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 467 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
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line 481 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 481 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 482 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 488 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 491 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 499 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
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line 503 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 503 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 503 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 504 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 513 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 523 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
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line 527 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 527 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 528 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 534 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 537 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 543 column 357 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 543 column 357 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 548 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 552 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 552 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 552 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 552 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 553 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 562 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
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line 574 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 574 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 574 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 575 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 581 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 584 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 588 column 298 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 596 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 596 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 596 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 597 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 603 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 606 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 612 column 440 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 612 column 440 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 618 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 622 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 622 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 622 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 622 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 623 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 629 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 632 column 11 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 146 column 17 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 646 column 17 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 648 column 17 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 649 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 649 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 649 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 654 column 1 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 655 column 1 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 656 column 1 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 663 column 9 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 665 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 695 column 17 - Warning: <table> lacks "summary" attribute
line 616 column 15 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 675 column 105 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 153 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 175 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 209 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 231 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 255 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 278 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 302 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 330 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 352 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 377 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 399 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 425 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 455 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 479 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 501 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 525 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 550 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 572 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 594 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
line 620 column 11 - Warning: <a> cannot copy name attribute to id
Info: Document content looks like HTML Proprietary
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
455 warnings, 0 errors were found!


Character codes 128 to 159 (U+0080 to U+009F) are not allowed in HTML;
even if they were, they would likely be unprintable control characters.
Tidy assumed you wanted to refer to a character with the same byte value in the
specified encoding and replaced that reference with the Unicode equivalent.

The table summary attribute should be used to describe
the table structure. It is very helpful for people using
non-visual browsers. The scope and headers attributes for
table cells are useful for specifying which headers apply
to each table cell, enabling non-visual browsers to provide
a meaningful context for each cell.

The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
. You may also want to try
"http://www.cast.org/bobby/" which is a free Web-based
service for checking URLs for accessibility.

You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

To learn more about HTML Tidy see http://tidy.sourceforge.net
Please fill bug reports and queries using the "tracker" on the Tidy web site.
Additionally, questions can be sent to html-tidy@w3.org
HTML and CSS specifications are available from http://www.w3.org/
Lobby your company to join W3C, see http://www.w3.org/Consortium