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Which Super Mario Bros. 2 do you prefer?
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Japanese SMB2
 
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Everyone else's SMB2
 
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Posted on 10-29-09 10:59:12 PM Link | Quote


Basically, in Japan they release a different Super Mario Bros. 2 from that released in the rest of the world. Which one do you prefer?

I'd go with SMB2J As a kid, I would draw levels and dream of a sequel to SMB1 that was basically a new set of levels I was rather disappointed in the US SMB2, which felt to me like a totally different game. SMB2J is what probably sparked my interest in ROM hacking enough to look for level editors and such over time I liked how it did some things different from the SMB1 formula, like having mushrooms and flowers in hidden blocks too, backwards warp zones, and some complex level layouts like in 1-2

The other SMB2 I don't find as fun, and I think it lost something in the conversion from DDP. Plus, I was rather pissed off that Nintendo decided to withhold the true sequel to SMB1 and gave up this other game converted to a Mario game. If they hadn't, I wonder if DDP would have become a whole series of its own

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Posted on 10-29-09 11:05:56 PM (last edited by Schala at 10-29-09 08:08 PM) Link | Quote
I actually played Doki Doki Panic before I knew it was hacked into the American SMB2

Anyway, I prefer the Japanese SMB2 since it's essentially the true sequel to the original, unlike the hacked Doki Doki Panic

It would've been weird if they skipped SMB2 and released SMB3 as SMB2 elsewhere in the world (that would be a true example of Final Fantasy Syndrome)... also, I believe they wanted to release the Japanese SMB2 in the USA as an NES cartridge in like 1992 or 1993, but they cancelled that and included SMB2J and SMB2 into All-Stars

Super Mario USA was eventually released in Japan in 1993 or something, though... I wonder why we never got The Lost Levels as a cartridge for the NES

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Posted on 10-29-09 11:09:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Schala
I wonder why we never got The Lost Levels as a cartridge for the NES

It was considered to hard for american gamers IIRC.

I would go with SMB2 to be honest. I just think that it's a much better game... then again, I never really liked the first SMB to be honest.

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Posted on 10-29-09 11:42:56 PM Link | Quote
I think they planned on releasing Final Fantasy II for the NES in the US, but it was cancelled at around 70% complete or something because of Final Fantasy IV for the SNES (which became Final Fantasy II in the US...)

Later on, Final Fantasy V was planned to be Final Fantasy III in the USA and Final Fantasy VI was going to be Final Fantasy IV in the USA, but then Final Fantasy V's US SNES release was cancelled and Final Fantasy VI became Final Fantasy III

Final Fantasy Syndrome would've been weird with Mario, though

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Posted on 10-30-09 03:08:19 AM Link | Quote
SMB2JJ/LL felt too much like just the same engine on new levels and one new enemy. Which it kinda was. SMB2USA, however, was... well, very different. Sure, it was technically Doki Doki Panic, but I still love it.


Plus, it brought characters like Shy Guy and Birdo and Snifit into the Mario universe.

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Posted on 10-30-09 03:29:14 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Peardian
SMB2JJ/LL felt too much like just the same engine on new levels and one new enemy. Which it kinda was. SMB2USA, however, was... well, very different. Sure, it was technically Doki Doki Panic, but I still love it.


Plus, it brought characters like Shy Guy and Birdo and Snifit into the Mario universe.


Pretty much this.

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Posted on 10-30-09 04:01:04 AM Link | Quote
"I'll give you one guess," The Red Snifit states.

Seriously, I love both games, but Super Mario Bros. USA has always been a far more appealing game to me... (For future reference, I will only be comparing the NES versions of these games, even if I will be using the names that became associated with them with All-Stars)

Lost Levels was essentially a slightly souped-up Super Mario Bros. with ridiculously difficult level design to me, and for that reason it was more like today's decent ROM hack than a new game. This difficulty made it just generally unpleasant to try and get through the game fairly, let alone those "secret" levels. I might actually love the gameplay more than SMB, but without any sort of save feature, it quickly becomes a chore to get though the same bunch of levels over and over just to progress ever so slightly more.

Super Mario Bros. USA is a different story, however. The difficulty of this game, the main reason I have a love-hate relationship with Lost Levels, is far more reasonable, but it's still challenging enough that to this day, it is unlikely that I'll actually complete a playthrough. Furthermore, it is actually not just a mere souped-up version of Doki Doki Panic, but a complete improvement. Doki Doki Panic has less animations, less overall design, a much more difficult method of completing the game (much like how you get to the secret levels in Lost Levels), and no running. The fact that both were actually made by the good ol' Mario guys, along with a few others, also solidifies its state as a true Mario game in my mind, even if it wasn't originally.
Besides, it's fun throwing Snifits, Pow Blocks, and whatnot to kill everything instead of just jumping on it.
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Lost Levels for the win. Shyguys and Birdos and Snifits can kiss my ass. And the Ostros they rode in on.

Nah, not really. DDP's an okay game itself; I just like the other SMB2 more, since it actually follows standard Mario play mechanics, and is actually a decent challenge.
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Posted on 10-30-09 10:15:19 PM Link | Quote
SMB2J or Lost levels is the one for me.

For some reason, ever since I was a child I could not stand SMB2(DDP). Maybe Birdo freaked me out.

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Posted on 10-31-09 08:02:58 PM Link | Quote
I'd have to say, I like the one released as SMB2 in the USA more.

It's not like I have anything wrong with the other Mario games, but the lack of a time limit helps me out a lot.

I only wish I could do this with the NES version.

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Posted on 11-02-09 03:54:11 AM (last edited by Colin at 11-02-09 12:54 AM) Link | Quote
Lost Levels.

And it's not that unfair... it is extremely difficult but it is beatable. It's not like some ROM hacks where you need pixel-perfect precision and reflexes... it's just a challenging but rewarding game.

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SMB2US.

I've got some... pretty negative memories that come along with Japan's. Not to mention, as others have said, the US one is more of a completely new game.

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SMB2J provided nothing short of hilarity for my entire family, if I remember correctly. Had to go with that.

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Joe, it's a good thing that SMB2USA wasn't timed -- he wouldn't have gotten very far in his hoarding. I liked SMB2USA myself. I liked trying to get as many coins as possible to play the slot game at the end of each level. By the time I got to 7-1, I already had 99 lives. I didn't experience the real SMB2 until it was released in the All-Stars package in '93.

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line 284 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 293 column 897 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 293 column 897 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 295 column 1019 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 295 column 1019 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 321 column 419 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 321 column 757 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 321 column 757 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 324 column 908 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 324 column 908 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 328 column 1353 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 337 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 349 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 356 column 610 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 356 column 610 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 359 column 761 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 359 column 761 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 424 column 356 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 424 column 356 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 452 column 603 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 471 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 482 column 654 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 482 column 654 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 493 column 37 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 43 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 507 column 43 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 86 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 507 column 86 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 129 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 507 column 129 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 172 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 507 column 172 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 215 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 507 column 215 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 258 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 507 column 258 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 507 column 301 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 507 column 301 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 509 column 33 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 514 column 37 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 542 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 542 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 567 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 568 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 568 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 568 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 568 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 569 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 579 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 586 column 179 - Warning: <table> attribute "bgcolor" had invalid value "000044" and has been replaced
line 586 column 179 - Warning: <table> attribute "bordercolor" had invalid value "00CCFF" and has been replaced
line 597 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 597 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 597 column 245 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 606 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 611 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 149 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 260 column 369 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 321 column 345 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 356 column 291 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 502 column 1651 - Warning: trimming empty <center>
line 586 column 156 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 591 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 594 column 50 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 191 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 226 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 228 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 258 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 260 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 260 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 289 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 291 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 319 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 327 column 1032 - Warning: <td> proprietary attribute "background"
line 354 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 356 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 387 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 420 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 448 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 450 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 450 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 476 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 498 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 500 column 1139 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 500 column 1258 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 502 column 1705 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 519 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 558 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 560 column 1353 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 560 column 1458 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 560 column 1735 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 584 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 586 column 179 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "bordercolor"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 390 warnings and 1 error!

The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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