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Posted on 10-29-09 10:35:18 PM

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Originally posted by Tarale
But yeah, if a client were to come to me tomorrow asking for a web forum, I certainly wouldn't pick an AcmlmBoard. I don't think it will scale that well, it lacks the security, maturity, and robustness for me to recommend to a client that's paying $40,000, has a high-end website, and wants it (close to) bulletproof.

To be pretty honest when someone IMs me asking for a copy of Acmlmboard for their own site I basically laugh at them. If they still manage to get one I basically just tell them "don't come whining to me whenever it gets hacked".

The way Acmlmboard works in general there are probably several exploits that will never be patched. It's mostly just luck we haven't gotten hit yet.

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Posted on 10-29-09 10:48:45 PM

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Yea, I think the lettered versions of AcmlmBoard were probably the worst in terms of features... for one thing, one of the changes caused many posts to be broken... that included stuff like "Pokémon", which would end up becoming "Pok" with the rest of the post after it to be lost to the memory hole forever...

It seems like the I2 archive is really fucked up in general, with that, and word filters (such as Kitten Yiffer) that are stuck to the database

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Posted on 10-29-09 10:49:44 PM

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Originally posted by Tarale
But yeah, if a client were to come to me tomorrow asking for a web forum, I certainly wouldn't pick an AcmlmBoard. I don't think it will scale that well, it lacks the security, maturity, and robustness for me to recommend to a client that's paying $40,000, has a high-end website, and wants it (close to) bulletproof.

To be pretty honest when someone IMs me asking for a copy of Acmlmboard for their own site I basically laugh at them. If they still manage to get one I basically just tell them "don't come whining to me whenever it gets hacked".

The way Acmlmboard works in general there are probably several exploits that will never be patched. It's mostly just luck we haven't gotten hit yet.

Hey, I think it's a great system if someone wants to have a play around I wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't already have some PHP, mySQL, and XHTML skills—someone who can take care of a problem if one arises. It can be good for learning basic forum damage control, because there's inevitably some moron that will fuck it all up for you.

I wouldn't give it to someone who doesn't know any PHP and wants to use it to learn. While it works well enough, if you're trying to learn PHP from it, you'll just get teh drain brammage. Same if you're trying to learn XHTML or CSS for that matter…

It might be a fun project for a masochist that wants to look at optimising and securing code.

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Posted on 10-29-09 10:50:33 PM

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I take offense to that.

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Posted on 10-29-09 10:56:12 PM (last edited by Tarale at 10-29-09 07:56 PM)

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I take offense to that.

It's not you. It's more the very ad-hoc nature of its development over the years, the lack of standards and quality assurance, and stuff like that.

All the kinds of things that come with fighting fires and appeasing a userbase over many years.

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Posted on 10-29-09 10:57:05 PM

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It might be a fun project for a masochist that wants to look at optimising and securing code.

That!

I mean what do you think I've been doing the last four years? Ugh.

Also since when did you work with $40000 websites

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Posted on 10-29-09 11:07:47 PM (last edited by Tarale at 10-29-09 08:17 PM)

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It might be a fun project for a masochist that wants to look at optimising and securing code.

That! I mean what do you think I've been doing the last four years? Ugh.

Also since when did you work with $40000 websites

Part of the problem is that you've got a live forum that you're doing the work on. Makes it harder for you to pull out and rewrite major parts when you've got a userbase that has a hissy fit if you disrupt it. Also, I'm sure we're the most useful and helpful beta-testers in the world, rite?

And that's not counting the members of the community that deliberately fuck things up just to get their jollies.

You're a super-duper-mega-masochist.

And yes, some of my projects are up to and inclusive of $40,000. I've been working there nearly a year now. I can't really discuss them in detail on the forum, for (what I hope are) obvious reasons.

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Posted on 10-29-09 11:41:48 PM

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Yeah, of course. But damn, I'd be satisfied doing any web work. It's so infuriating to know all this and having no fucking clue how to put it to use.

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Posted on 10-29-09 11:50:26 PM

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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Yeah, of course. But damn, I'd be satisfied doing any web work. It's so infuriating to know all this and having no fucking clue how to put it to use.

Well, do some web work. And I mean, something besides this place. Build a portfolio. Write a blog about the things you know. And get on Twitter and talk yourself up a little.

I guess that's how I did it, more or less. I did some web jobs for little to no pay to start with, for other people, or built websites myself, built a portfolio, and tweeted a lot about web development stuff.

Eventually I was picked up by a web development company. I still have massive amounts of stuff to learn, but I'm also in an environment where I can pick up all kinds of exciting new things.

You've got the talent. You've got the skills. Your work is solid. I pick on the AcmlmBoard, but I also keep in mind you're dealing with an often-demanding (and sometimes vindictive) user base here, which makes things a LOT harder.

I'd like to see you work on something where you can spread your wings.

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Posted on 10-30-09 12:03:25 AM

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My biggest problem is the real lack of motivation or direction, I guess. Bleh.

Good advice, though, definitely.

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Posted on 10-30-09 12:16:02 AM

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Hah, I wish I had advice on the motivation front for you though.

Problem is, with Depression that's one of my constant bugbears. That and confidence. I still go into work terrified every other day; afraid I will fuck things up. I know I have gaps in my knowledge (big ones) and skills that are underdeveloped, which helps break my emotional equilibrium.

All I can suggest there is keep working on it.

As for direction, well, work on any gaps in your knowledge?

I'd recommend starting a WordPress blog (I say this because it is a platform that people often ask for plugin or theme development with, and a good platform to know) or an ExpressionEngine site/blog (ditto), and write about the kinds of things you're learning—like once you've figured something out, write a "how to" for it.

Both of those platforms are used a lot out there, and writing about it is a good way to a) learn more and cement your learnings and b) look like you know shit which impresses people.

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Posted on 10-30-09 07:05:34 AM

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And despite how good options PHPBB and SMF are, writing my own forum is something I've been toying with for the past six or seven years because of the Acmlmboard, and never come close to doing what it has

I remember when you were working on that years ago Do you plan to ever release it or start a board based on it?

Oh hell no, I wrote it for my university dissertation. It was pretty good, but I've learned a lot of lessons in making it. Number one being don't write your own Framework, use Zend Framework or CakePHP. They know much more about PHP software quality than pretty much anyone.

Xkeeper, you could easily get yourself a job doing junior web work if you could piece it together in a marketable way

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Posted on 10-30-09 11:23:46 AM (last edited by Xkeeper at 10-30-09 08:33 AM)

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Xkeeper, you could easily get yourself a job doing junior web work if you could piece it together in a marketable way

Yeah, the problem is actually figuring out how to do it other than HEY DO THIS WEBSITE FOR THESE PEOPLE I TOLD THEM YOU'D DO IT FOR THREE WEEKS AGO AND NEVER BOTHERED TO TELL YOU P.S. YOU DON'T GET PAID FROM THIS EITHER SO

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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For bonus points try looking at the print preview of the calendar. That took me about an hour to get working right.

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Posted on 10-30-09 05:50:02 PM

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Yeah, the problem is actually figuring out how to do it other than HEY DO THIS WEBSITE FOR THESE PEOPLE I TOLD THEM YOU'D DO IT FOR THREE WEEKS AGO AND NEVER BOTHERED TO TELL YOU P.S. YOU DON'T GET PAID FROM THIS EITHER SO
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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For bonus points try looking at the print preview of the calendar. That took me about an hour to get working right.

I don't understand, are you talking about freelance? Clients will always be jerks, but then you can always say no. Don't feel pressured to do work for free - your time is money and people must understand that.

But you should be able to get a job with a company doing some basic testing in a junior role. You've maintained a legacy piece of software off your own back for years, you should have some value to someone. I've cited the Acmlmboard in two successful interviews, and in both cases it's been an item of interest. Think what you want, but it's kind of given me a career :/

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Posted on 10-30-09 08:09:46 PM

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Well, it also depends on how bad unemployment is

I'll be leaving Michigan after college to improve my chances at getting a job, among other things

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Posted on 10-30-09 10:07:19 PM

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I don't understand, are you talking about freelance? Clients will always be jerks, but then you can always say no. Don't feel pressured to do work for free - your time is money and people must understand that.

But you should be able to get a job with a company doing some basic testing in a junior role. You've maintained a legacy piece of software off your own back for years, you should have some value to someone. I've cited the Acmlmboard in two successful interviews, and in both cases it's been an item of interest. Think what you want, but it's kind of given me a career :/

Long story short my father told these people that he'd have me do their website, then neglected to tell me about this for about 3 weeks until my stepmom told me about it about 4 days before they wanted it finished.

And on top of that I had to pay for the domain out of pocket. Bye $10.

Then they gave me a list of "what we want", which my parents also withheld for another week. Needless to say by this point I was not enthusiastic about doing any more work on this project (I have better ways to blow my free time) and then I was informed that they were VERY DISAPPOINTED and my father was VERY UNHAPPY AND/OR ANGER because uh oh I didn't do the free work.

That's the story behind that website, though as you might've guessed I eventually did update it.

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Posted on 10-30-09 10:07:49 PM

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Illinois should be a good stopping point if Washington becomes somehow unaffordable. Suburbs near the city = low taxes. Highscale suburbs and the city have crazy taxes, especially with he city's 10% sales tax.

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Posted on 10-30-09 10:57:35 PM

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Upstate New York is pretty good in terms of jobs as well... you might want to consider living here

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Posted on 10-31-09 07:05:20 AM (last edited by Kas at 10-31-09 04:07 AM)

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That's the story behind that website, though as you might've guessed I eventually did update it.

You'd be surprised how much this is an issue in the web design world at the moment. There's been a glut of articles in the past week about what to look for in a project before you just say no. There's also the ever present no-I-will-not-fix-your-fucking-computer stories that every IT worker in the world ever can tell. People have an apathy for technology, and will drop anything when it gets the slightest bit technical because it's the technology's fault and not theirs. And they'll happily trade your skills to get the technical thing fixed, before devaluing them and undermining them publicly. This and your story is fucked up, and needs to stop.

We had a new starter at work a couple of weeks back. Myself and my coworkers were introduced as the "techies" and "not to come to them if you want a question asking, because understanding them is difficult". And this is a dedicated software company. And that was said with me in the room. That sort of attitude is an insult, and betrays a lack of respect for software quality, the software business and IT staff.

I'm becoming a firm believer that the type of manager who moves into an industry sideways is going to become extinct. You can't learn an industry like you learn management, and one cookie-cutter course in management will not replace someone who has worked in that industry for years to found their own business. I also have hope that kids having complex mobile phones, laptops and games consoles will mean far less intolerance of technology in the future. Lack of respect for software quality and software engineering principles pervades the industry, and leads to shoddy and frankly shit products and businesses.

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