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Posted on 05-22-09 04:43:07 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shantae
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Originally posted by Shantae

sigh


Think what you want. Remember, you're part of the minority here.

A small group of whiners on Valve's forums does not a majority make.

As the Heavy says, KEEP CRYING, BABIES.

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Posted on 05-22-09 04:45:26 PM Link | Quote
I don't see the fuss. They changed the system to appeal to a wider audience, something every game has been doing in the past few years. This is actually better as well so you don't have to worry about cheaters.

Valve did a smart move with this, keeping achievements as fun things like the 360 achievements while also giving those that just join after an INCREDIBLY HILARIOUS update pulled them in an incentive to joining up and playing without being overwhelmed by older players.

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Posted on 05-22-09 04:48:28 PM Link | Quote
The only thing I don't like about the system is how random it is. You can play several hours and not get anything, while being surrounded by people who do.

That's really the only one.

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Posted on 05-22-09 04:49:19 PM (last edited by Shantae at 05-22-09 01:55 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
As the Heavy says, KEEP CRYING, BABIES.


You're on the receiving end of that most times... You do realize that, right? XD

But in all honesty... Achievements serve no purpose now. I just don't care about working for them. Regular gameplay is nice, but it's fun to play for the achievements knowing there's something at the other end.

Think of SSBB guys. You play a few stages and at random you get the trophy that most people got by beating boss battles on extremely hard. Is that fair? Does it allow someone to learn how to play the game? The answer is no each time. You, ultimately, earn nothing.

The unlocks were like trohpies you get from beating achievements. Who gives a shit if people farm on achievement servers. That's just like those ass holes you used to know in grade school who'd use the gameshark and say they did it all themselves.

Does this make any sense to you yet? I mean seriously. This stuff isn't new. It's been around for almost 2 decades! This is just caving into those assholes...

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Posted on 05-22-09 04:49:44 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shantae
Originally posted by Xkeeper
As the Heavy says, KEEP CRYING, BABIES.


You're on the receiving end of that most times... You do realize that, right? XD

My job is to ignite spies, not kill Heavies.

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Posted on 05-22-09 05:05:13 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, I mean it isn't like anybody can see your stats/achievements to see how skilled you are or anything. A little "USERNAME is wielding WEAPON" is a huge indicator of skill. (Except when it isn't.)

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Posted on 05-22-09 05:12:25 PM Link | Quote


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Posted on 05-22-09 05:15:18 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Yeah, I mean it isn't like anybody can see your stats/achievements to see how skilled you are or anything. A little "USERNAME is wielding WEAPON" is a huge indicator of skill. (Except when it isn't.)


Then you have to back it up with true skill like I do. It's all part of the process.

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Posted on 05-22-09 05:22:30 PM (last edited by Tina at 05-22-09 02:23 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shantae
Then you have to back it up with true skill like I do. It's all part of the process.
Caution: Logic error detected!
"Demonstrating true skill" does not require "using unlocked items"!


Fun fact: the unlock weapons are not upgrades for the original. Saying "He's skilled, he's using (unlock weapon here)!" doesn't mean anything because unlock weapons are not better.

Natasha, for example, is horrible against anything that is actively trying to kill you, while the Minigun is great for doing a lot of damage, reardless of class.

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Posted on 05-22-09 05:36:39 PM (last edited by The Red Snifit at 05-22-09 06:17 PM) Link | Quote
Actually, I like the idea of not basing the unlockables on the current set of achievements.
Achievements have always seemed like a neat way to keep track of the pointless challenges that we've all done far before anybody implemented them. It has always seemed silly to base useful unlockables on how many you've earned, especially when quite a large amount of them are based on unlikely situations rather than skill.
With that said, I'm not entirely too fond of the new system, either. Personally, I think a system at least partially based on the number of points you earn would be far more desirable.

In an attempt to change the subject, look at this.
Originally posted by the update page
Spies disguised as enemy spies now get a random mask to help complete the disguise, and their target id will be set appropriately
Spies disguised as medics now have an Ubercharge: line in their disguise target info
Spies outward facing "disguise health" now matches their disguise target when they first apply the disguise
Spies can now pick up health kits for their "disguise health", even when uninjured
Spies that disguise as a player using an unlockable now show that unlockable in hand
Spies can now use enemy teleporters

So, yeah. Spies are much better at blending in correctly now, as this shatters quite a bit of the Spychecking tips.
I think this is an excellent update, but, of course, Spy is my favorite class, so I'm curious as to what you all think about this.
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Posted on 05-22-09 05:40:23 PM Link | Quote
Yeah. I was going to suggest something point-based (like, say, every 20 points is a random item), but the problem with that is people who just go to an instant-respawn server (i.e. achievement boxes) and farm kills.

There's no universal solution, but I do like the points one, since every class should be getting points.

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Posted on 05-22-09 05:43:03 PM Link | Quote

I actually love the new spy updates.
Especially the prepping for a backstab animation.

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Posted on 05-22-09 05:43:45 PM (last edited by Martin at 05-22-09 02:46 PM) Link | Quote
The new system fucking SUCKS

I can understand trying to even it out and avoid achieve grinding servers, but fucking WOW.

So I can play for 3 hours, do absolutely fantastic during that time, and get jack shit


Then jackass mcgregor comes on the server, spectates for ten minutes, and gets the ambassador.

Cool.


Also, a friend of mine was playing earlier, and he killed a dumbass scout who was running directly at him.

The scout obtained an ambassador when he died.

HONESTLY.

Random drops from dead enemies, okay, I can understand that, but COMPLETELY RANDOM INSTANCES?

Bullshit.

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Posted on 05-22-09 05:45:52 PM Link | Quote
Yeah, like I've said -- the new system is too random. Needs some tweaking.

Hopefully we can see some fixes soon.

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Posted on 05-22-09 07:20:44 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Robin Walker
“As in everything else we do, we want to iterate, so this is really the first step towards our desired implementation. We also think we have bugs in the system as well, since we’re seeing some players not finding any items after a few hours of play, which is not at all how it’s tuned. We want unlockable drops to be a pretty regular occurrence for players, with the cosmetic hats being the rare finds.”


So yeah, the item system is currently broken.

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Posted on 05-22-09 07:22:55 PM Link | Quote
Ah, so the "too random" problem really is a bug.

That's good to know. Hopefully it should be a simple, and quick, fix.

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Posted on 05-22-09 07:24:18 PM Link | Quote

Yeah, it'll be much nicer once unlockables are a bit more frequent.
Right now it's "Oh hey, new weapon. Wait, Natascha?!? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF"

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Posted on 05-22-09 07:25:09 PM Link | Quote
"Hats rare drops"

Called it.

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Posted on 05-22-09 07:30:03 PM Link | Quote

I've seen people who have the Demoman's afro.
It's actually lame, too small.

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Posted on 05-22-09 08:25:57 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Shantae
Achievements serve no purpose now.
Originally posted by The Red Snifit
Achievements have always seemed like a neat way to keep track of the pointless challenges


Updated mah spy guide. And I saw the engineer mining helmet today!

I wonder what they do....

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