So instead of getting the huge interest boost that I wanted from this update, it instead kills many of my reasons of playing the game. I cannot believe that items now just drop for you randomly. A soldier killed someone in this server and suddenly the message "NAME has found: The Cloak and Dagger". Seriously, how stupid. I wanted to get achievements to get items, so that when I got it I felt a sense of standing out and accomplishing something. Now, achievements to me are completely worthless and I don't even want to play as the two updated classes.

You fucked up Valve.

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Originally posted by Tyty

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The one upside is people like me who don't play as often, and aren't as good now have a damn chance at getting the items.

And maybe you just get The Cloak and Dagger this way?

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It's everything, Kirbynite got the Razorback playing Spy. Another person got the Ambassador on the server I was on.

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I never did that. I played legitimately for my items. The person I bought this account from did achievement server shit for the Heavy and Pyro. As the steam forums are already indicating, many people enjoyed the previous method better. It's challenging so it makes you enjoy the game that much more. You also got experience with that class while getting said achievements.

The counter argument tends to be this...
"As a new player, the concept of the experienced players not only being more skillful, but also having weapons that'll take me a while to get is something that seemed like a kick in the face."
You know what's a kick in the face? The fact that I spent 13 hours of Scout to get all of his items, felt great about it and had fun doing it, only to walk in to a server and see people just getting his items for no fucking reason as supplied by Valve. They did nothing to get them but push a button. It's nearly the same as people just typing !givemeall in achievement servers, which fine, they're cheaters, but at least I have the choice of doing that or not.

"If you weren't having fun, you're playing games for the wrong reasons."
And my response? Considering the large backlog of games I have (many of which have actual storylines and progression), the pressure to see how good I could do to earn achievements to get the items in TF2 was what drove me many times to play that game over others. Now I have nearly no incentive beyond what it has been since I unlocked my last Scout weapon, "It's fun.".

It's a kick in the face to me because for a few weeks now, I've refreshed pages and talked about the update, knowing in the back of my mind I would have a blast playing the classes and working hard to unlock their weapons. Now I'm handed an easy mode that can't be backed out of, and I have hardly any interest in playing them now.

Congratulations to you casual and new players but to be honest, given your status it's understandable you wouldn't enjoy getting them the old way.

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Sample post from the Steam forums...

"Back in '08, I had just got TF2. This is back when the Scout update did not exist. I was a noob. After I got Dynasty, I got curious. I asked about achievements and played told me you unlocked new weapons with them. I played my favorite class at the time, the Heavy, trying to get the achievements. someone recommended to me that I just farmed for them. I wanted this to be legitimate. Three days and many kills later. I got it. Heavy Milestone 1. Seeing the sadvitch was so awesome if you didn't farm for it. I was hooked.

For the next five months of just playing and not farming, I unlocked the weapons for Pyro and Heavy. I just recently got the Force-A-Nature. Every little class achievement I got was like a personal pat on the back from the game. And the ultimate prize: A new weapon. every new weapon felt like a new toy that I had EARNED. It made the game play experience so much more..... more.

No longer. I still have medic to do and two scout items, but that will be it. No more achievements that are actually fun to get. Most of the hype I got from this update was getting class achievements from my favorite class, the spy, and getting that special pat on the back every once in a while, and even further, that cool new "toy" that I EARNED. I didn't think my hype would be let down... especially from Valve. TF2 just lost a lot of narritive for me, especially I wont be trying to ACHIEVE the new toys for the engineer (my second favorite) some time in the future..."

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