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Posted on 01-08-21 11:38:47 PM (last edited by rokken at 01-08-21 11:41:03 PM) Link | Quote
Not just in hardware, but software too. It may just be nostalgia, but I remember computers being a lot more fun and adventurous back in the 2000s and very early 2010s, with real differences between OSes, real competition between browsers, and computer designs that didn't go out of their way to wow the consumer with eight year old tricks. They may have been garbage for your computer, but those smiley and cursor packs also added a little flair to things and in the latter case often with a look I reminisce about to this day, and I remember this browser extension for Firefox that would let you scroll through a list of thousands of forum emoticons and feeling like I was witnessing magic happen when I clicked on one and it would show up in the forum post, even if it wasn't one of the forum's native ones.

Nowadays it seems like every computer case and piece of hardware needs windows and RGB to sell, and a bunch of bezels and angles to make it look like it came right out of Half-Life 2. Then, when it's booted up, you'll still have to deal with monotonous flat UI that research has suggested actually harms productivity, always in some sort of soft gray, with a moody gray background of raindrops hitting a pond. Windows 10 and Mac OS 11 are obviously going to be pretty uniform since they're closed systems, but even Linux is homogenizing on KDE and Gnome and maybe if you're feeling adventurous LXDE, XFCE, or MATE modified to the point they look pretty similar to either KDE or Gnome. Gone are the days of the home user it seems, nowadays it feels like the only two personalities are srs bsns office workers or srs bsns esports hardcore gamers.

Maybe this is just nostalgic rambling longing for a past that never existed, or maybe it's really happening, all I know is even just looking at most modern computers for longer than a few minutes makes me feel like my soul is seeping out of my ears. Thank goodness there's at least one OS designed first and foremost for home users. What do you think, am I going crazy over nothing, or do you feel the same way?

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Posted on 01-09-21 10:49:47 AM (last edited by sofi at 01-09-21 11:12:02 AM) Link | Quote

i feel like it's become indeed boring and also quite corporate. but for me it's the way everything has become centralised into a few sites and that's what computers mostly feel like they're used for, at least to me, these days. i don't seem to take pleasure in just using or doing anything on the computer so much any more. it doesn't feel exciting or inspiring.

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Posted on 01-09-21 02:22:55 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by sofi
i feel like it's become indeed boring and also quite corporate. but for me it's the way everything has become centralised into a few sites and that's what computers mostly feel like they're used for, at least to me, these days. i don't seem to take pleasure in just using or doing anything on the computer so much any more. it doesn't feel exciting or inspiring.

There's something I completely forgot to mention, but you're totally correct on that.

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Posted on 01-09-21 04:21:04 PM Link | Quote
I feel like home computing has stagnated for sure, now that everybody wants to package up their software as a service that evolves slowly over time instead of massive innovations.

On the other hand... a majority of people carry a computer around in their pockets now, and that's where all the innovation has been for the last ten years. The Windows design language has been fairly iterative since Aero in Windows 7, while Android during the same timeframe essentially came into existence. Mobile's getting to the same point of blandness though, with every app having a platform-agnostic design, it doesn't matter what device you buy, because outside of how snappy it runs, everything looks the same.

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Posted on 01-10-21 06:39:07 AM (last edited by RanAS at 01-10-21 06:39:37 AM) Link | Quote
I find it sad how the more I see about the state of the modern web nowadays the less enthusiastic I feel about it.

I like many of the modern ideas of web design because I think they CAN simplify development and separate front-end (UI) code from back-end (logic / database) and when done properly it's amazing. But everything I see feels so half-assed and slow, I wonder if people haven't had time to adapt to it yet or if corporate deadlines make them rush things, or if they're complacent due to the increased hardware power we have nowadays, or if it's a combination of everything.

I like simplicity, both for the user and for the developer. These new technologies are supposed to make things simpler, not MORE complicated.

And...well. That's what computers have sort of become nowadays haven't they. Web machines...

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Posted on 01-10-21 02:26:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by RanAS
And...well. That's what computers have sort of become nowadays haven't they. Web machines...


Pretty much, in a world where Chromebooks are viable in the marketplace. I don't like Chromebooks and think they're useless (and bring back bad memories of high school), but evidently not.

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I think you're wrong. Not that computers are boring, but that it's a recent thing. RGB is new, but the crazy bezels and lights have been going on since the 00s. The differences between OSes may be going away, but that's a good thing. No more worrying about if your floppies are mac or PC formatted. Cursor and icon packs are still around, maybe you're just not looking for them anymore?

Yeah, MS, Google, and Apple have gone all in on this flat design thing, but "Linux" is not standardizing on KDE... It can't because Linux is not a single entity. Yes, KDE and Gnome are chasing the recent trends, but they always were, the target demographic of those desktop environments is the casual user who wants something that looks like the main OSes out there. There's still OpenStep, CDE, a myriad of tiling window managers, and even with Gnome and KDE you can get packs that have all the beveled buttons and looks like Windows 95.

Yes, computers are boring. But they've been boring since the 90s.

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Computing as a whole became boring, in some sense, at the point at which the majority of users, businesses, etc. had standardized on Windows, Mac OS and/or Linux, running on x86 or PowerPC, i.e. the late 90s/early 2000s, I guess?

Once "non-standard" architectures and operating systems had gone the way of the dodo - think stuff like Commodore and the Amiga (RIP ;_;), Atari and the ST line, NeXT computers running NeXTSTEP (OSX notwithstanding), or lesser known stuff like BeOS or the Acorn Archimedes - it seems that general users and businesses went for PCs running Windows, powerusers got more into the various flavors of Linux, and creatives went with Macs.

And, sure, that this caused interoperability to become a lot easier is a good thing, but that's about the only benefit I can see at first glance. Like, whatever office suite you're using - if it's not already purely web-based anyway, which is another debatable can of worms - can probably somehow open documents made with another office suite on another operating system.

...ahh, I dunno where I'm going with this. But you can probably tell that, yeah, I think computers have gotten boring.

(Unless it's about fixing them, because there, they've gotten infuriating on both the software and hardware sides.)


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I think they did. I grew up with Windows 98/XP with a zillion and four ways to customize it, mostly involving WindowBlinds. I loved to play around with themes both within and without WB that made it look like other O/Ses, some of which caused permanent modifications even after uninstalling, lol. And, of course, all the various cursor & icon packs, browser themes, etc.

I regret that I was born too late to experience firsthand the explosion in platform variety that used to exist. Even as late as 2005 there were still three viable architectures! Now PowerPC is only in expensive niche workstations and MIPS in routers.

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Posted on 01-19-21 12:49:55 PM Link | Quote
Now that's an interesting take... Computers were more interesting when you could theme them, but you had to use a third party program to get the customization you want... A third party application that still exists and works with Windows 10. Maybe it wasn't the computers that got boring?

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Originally posted by nym
Now that's an interesting take... Computers were more interesting when you could theme them, but you had to use a third party program to get the customization you want... A third party application that still exists and works with Windows 10. Maybe it wasn't the computers that got boring?

It's not just that, that's just what I had in mind at the time; there's other stuff like the Web taking over, and a small handful of websites at that.

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Posted on 01-19-21 10:01:58 PM Link | Quote
modern web design in general is so fucking awful everything is an eyesore. nothing ever has personality anymore. sucks.
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These days all the gigacorps are doing everything they can to remove control from you, so naturally things like custom themes have gone by the wayside, and choosing from a variety of software has turned into choosing from two or three identical dumpster fires.

Remember how Win95 let you change all the colors, fonts, icons, even replace the built-in programs like the file browser if you wanted? Whereas most phones need to be hacked just to be able to change colors or fonts, beyond - if you're lucky - the three or four they come with.

Don't even get me started on the Web.

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Posted on 04-26-21 06:34:33 PM Link | Quote
Hot take: computers were always boring.

Call me guilty as charged for have a retrocomputing interest and bingewatching LGR videos and such... but ultimately, the vast majority of computers produced serve business uses. They're tools. They file reports or crunch out invoices or aggregate data or assist with taxes or process words or so on and so forth. The fact that these tools are fun to play with sometimes is entirely incidental to their intended purpose.

I think part of the issue here is that home users, by and large, don't use desktop or laptop computers anymore, nowhere near the numbers they were. They use tablets and smartphones. So you have a weird split where on the one hand, home users want to have a computer that operates like their tablet, but on the other hand, business users need a device to get things done with, and the result seems to be, imo, a confused mess.

There are hobbyist operating systems like React and Haiku and some Linux distros, that let you experiment with new UI paradigms or get under the hood and tinker around with the specifics. And while that isn't my cup of tea, I'm glad it exists for the people who want it. But I feel the boring corporate blandness of the modern web and applications is really just a side effect of them being tools to get things done. But they were more colorful and interesting in the 00s, and there wasn't as much agreement and standardization on what works, and I do miss those wild west times.

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If I had to guess at what time computers "became boring", then I'd say it's probably the moment when fixed-specs 8- and 16-bit home computers got replaced with easily-upgradable "IBM compatibles" and when multitasking became a common thing. (I was born after that, so what follows below may not be 100% accurate.)

On a computer like a C64 or a Speccy, the software developer has access to all of the hardware directly, and can easily grasp what it can do. There's no other tasks to care about, no chance to screw things up that can't be fixed by turning the machine off and on again, and since typically each program was stored on its own disk or tape, there was way less opportunity for viruses or malware to spread.

The operating system, and any piece of software, were small and simple enough that a single developer or a small team can disassemble them and figure out all the functionality in a reasonable amount of time.

Multitasking environments (as well as the ability to easily upgrade) have made everything a lot riskier. You can no longer directly access the hardware (or even be 100% certain that a specific piece of hardware exists), so drivers and APIs were necessary. Everything is stored on a single disk, so now there's way more opportunity for malware to screw things up. The internet made things even more risky, since now a computer also has to be protected from before-impossible threats as well. (Though I think the internet is a still good thing.) And with higher and higher expectations (supporting various types of hardware, kinds of computers, methods of control, etc.), software has grown to a size where trying to make a zero-vulnerability program is not just very hard, but impossible.

This means more security measures (which adds extra complexity), more limitations on what the user or the developer can do, and a way stricter approach to things in general.

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Yeah, on hindsighr I probably should have titled it "has computer interface design got boring," I realize I made a bad topic now.

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Nah.

Finished that up today.

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i realised once i changed my habits to be less passive (ie scrolling through social media) and more active (focused on discovery and understanding the architecture of my OS and machine) i found myself a little less bored with my computer. but also a huge thing was learning to recognise when i'm being bored at my computer and need to take a break and do something else—or worse am simply procrastinating.

i think computers by default now lead us directly into boring, homogenised landscapes if we are not careful

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I agree currently but disagree overall. Desktop environments have hit stagnation across most operating systems, any major change to them results in backlash and preference to familiarity. I don't think that's the right approach though, both Windows and Mac OS have basically kept the same basic UI functionality from its earliest incarnations almost as if it's seen as desktop functionality has been solved. I don't think it has though, there is always room for innovation in the UI space.

There is a GNOME extension I donated to recently that just intuitively integrates into my workflow called Fly-Pie. It's a marking (pie) menu that can be brought up with a keyboard shortcut. I mapped a couple of different menus to touchpad swipes on my Surface Pro, with program specific menus for programs I get heavy use out of like my internet browser. It's something that I can't see a equivalent to with Windows or Mac as much as I love for there to be, and dispute being a very customizable experience I can't seem to find anything like it on KDE either.

I love experimenting with how I interact with my OS and think it's boring to just use the plain OS you are given and accept it the way it is. Everyone's different in the way they approach a problem and leaving more options to a solution and innovating on each solution will naturally lead to them going with a option that is far more intuitive to them.
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I think I can put my position on this better now than I could back then: I feel kind of trapped and hopeless using modern x64 boxes. After a few months with PowerPC, I honestly feel freer because I'm doing everything I need on a computer that I can honestly trust more than I can trust a 1xx00, whatever number they're up to now. I lost count at 11900. The monotony of modern interface design definitely doesn't help, and I definitely think that the takeover of web apps has absolutely contributed to this feeling I have -- a modern PC could easily spend its whole life as little more than a dumb terminal.
But it's not just nostalgia speaking; until last June, I had never used a Macintosh or the Mac OS, but I love both. Closest I ever got was wanting a bondi iMac G3 as a little kid, when they were already eleven years out of date. Nevertheless, I have a genuinely better daily computing experience on this old computer. Maybe because I'm forced to use more programs than just the web browser to get my work done, so I have a lot more variety in what it is I'm doing and looking at. Maybe because I like the 4:3 aspect ratio. Maybe because it just feels like I'm using a solid, more private, more-free system. Or maybe it's because I'm essentially telling the corporate wheel of pointless e-waste snow to go suck it, but there's just something genuinely exciting in all this. Probably a combination of all those factors. I even enjoy my old Dell Inspiron 2200 more... though that is nostalgia speaking -- Haiku and Windows NT 3.51 are kinda-sorta OSes I remember from being a kid.
Or who knows, maybe it's just trying something new. I don't think so, though; trying pearOS didn't leave me with the same feeling that genuinely using these old Macs leaves me. Distro hopping is fun for a few hours, but it doesn't leave me with a sense of relief that lasts half a year later. But this could just be different, I'm open to that idea even if I'm not confident it's correct.

And yeah, I can see how overexposure can also lead to some of these feelings. I'm using my computers a bit less these days since I have a lot of other stuff to do at the moment, so I can see that if I was 17 again I could also get burnt out on these, too.

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line 578 column 9 - Warning: <div> isn't allowed in <table> elements
line 152 column 17 - Info: <table> previously mentioned
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line 599 column 102 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&postid"
line 601 column 74 - Warning: <style> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 601 column 9 - Info: <td> previously mentioned
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line 609 column 3835 - Warning: discarding unexpected </div>
line 609 column 3841 - Warning: discarding unexpected </td>
line 612 column 9 - Warning: <div> isn't allowed in <table> elements
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line 633 column 102 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&postid"
line 638 column 9 - Warning: <div> isn't allowed in <table> elements
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line 659 column 102 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&postid"
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line 661 column 9 - Info: <td> previously mentioned
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line 662 column 399 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&name"
line 669 column 9 - Warning: <div> isn't allowed in <table> elements
line 152 column 17 - Info: <table> previously mentioned
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line 690 column 102 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&postid"
line 692 column 74 - Warning: <style> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 692 column 9 - Info: <td> previously mentioned
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line 152 column 17 - Info: <table> previously mentioned
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line 720 column 13 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 721 column 102 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&postid"
line 730 column 9 - Warning: <div> isn't allowed in <table> elements
line 152 column 17 - Info: <table> previously mentioned
line 732 column 9 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 750 column 13 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 751 column 102 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&postid"
line 760 column 17 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 760 column 17 - Warning: discarding unexpected <table>
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line 765 column 50 - Warning: missing </font> before </td>
line 766 column 37 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&id"
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line 767 column 82 - Warning: discarding unexpected </table>
line 767 column 90 - Warning: discarding unexpected </table>
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line 366 column 15 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 366 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 366 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 366 column 101 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 366 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 366 column 144 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 366 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 366 column 187 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 366 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 366 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 366 column 273 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 366 column 273 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 366 column 316 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 366 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 366 column 359 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 366 column 402 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 582 column 14 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 582 column 57 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 582 column 100 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 642 column 15 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 58 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 101 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 144 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 187 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 230 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 273 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 273 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 316 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 359 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 642 column 359 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 735 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 736 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 746 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 766 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 766 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 766 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 775 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 780 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 760 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 207 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 236 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 263 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 265 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 291 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 323 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 351 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 383 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 423 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 455 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 483 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 510 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 536 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 567 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 599 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 633 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 659 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 690 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 721 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 751 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 362 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md