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Posted on 10-22-20 04:12:10 AM Link | Quote
I found this:

http://www.symbos.de/

It runs on a z80, so that's pretty good. It has IRC and WGet if you can get networking going on your machine, which requires some sort of addon board probably more powerful than the z80 itself, but I love the website/UI design of this. And it's multitasking on a friggin z80... and it made me wonder, what kind of hardware could you feasibly get web browsing on while keeping the costs and complexity as low as possible?
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Posted on 10-22-20 07:12:29 AM Link | Quote
Wait, holy shit, SymbOS has networking support and applications to take advantage of it now? Damn. (I wonder if WinAPE supports the proper expansions...)

I had so much fun messing with SymbOS back in the day - I even remember dithering down some images to use as desktop wallpaper on it, which ended up evolving into my own style down the line.

As far as cheap machines to use for web browsing? A lot of SBCs these days are perfectly capable as lightweight internet machines - the 1GB Raspberry Pi 4 is $35 and its performance is honestly enough to the point where I don't feel very constrained on one anymore.
The Zero W is even cheaper at $10, though we're starting to teeter on the edge of unusability for the modern web here. (Then again, if we're talking about SymbOS on a Z80, this would even be leagues faster...)
Of course, none of these factor in power, storage, or cases, but it's nuts to think about just how much power can be packed into such a small package for so cheap anymore.

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Posted on 10-22-20 11:12:43 AM (last edited by Sanqui at 10-22-20 11:12:57 AM) Link | Quote


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SymbOS looks really sexy every time I check it out. I gotta give it a spin some day.

I think when considering the cheapest system with a usable web browser, one has to remember that you need some input and output, typically a keyboard and a screen... Raspberry Pis may be pretty cheap, but you need to add the cost of a monitor.

In my experience the cheapest system people get are hand-me-down laptops, typically a gen or two behind, so feeling slow, but still perfectly usable.

If we're talking about buying a brand new system, I would probably suggest getting a cheap android phone? Although from what I can see, it's harder to go under $150 with those than I expected... so I guess you were right about the Pi, you can get old second hand LCD screens for $15 or so, plus $4 for a keyboard.

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Posted on 10-22-20 11:22:25 AM (last edited by fimbul at 10-22-20 11:24:12 AM) Link | Quote
Yeah. I just was surprised you could even do this on a single Z80. It's an extremely small amount of complexity, especially compared to modern hardware. Sure there's additional chips and stuff on the board of a MSX, but the Z80 seems to be the most complex of all, so making something like a MSX must be extremely cheap this day and age.

But it's very much true people are literally giving away hardware many times stronger than a z80. Like even a relatively ancient core2duo laptop could feasibly browse the web today. Maybe spoof the user agent as mobile for a lighter web, but it can do it.

idk maybe I've just snowed in a little bit too much onto retrocomputing where every ounce of silicon counts, vs today where we have ridiculous overhead.
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Posted on 10-22-20 12:59:35 PM (last edited by nym at 10-22-20 12:59:55 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Sanqui
Raspberry Pis may be pretty cheap, but you need to add the cost of a monitor.


I guess it's a matter of expectations. Most people already have a TV, and a keyboard and mouse can be had for ~$10.

If you don't have a TV, probably your best bet is an old hand me down smartphone. Which is probably why people in most emerging nations use smart phones as their only computer. Used laptops are probably cheaper if you're in the right area (North America/Western Europe) but anywhere else, they're more rare.

I don't think it has internet capability, but talking about OSes on z80s got me thinking about CollapseOS, which is kind of an interesting topic in its own right.

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Posted on 11-13-20 01:03:03 AM Link | Quote
From a software perspective, you know have BearSSL, which is a lightweight SSL library that could feasibly run on some very low-end hardware (talking like 128KB RAM systems). If someone used this to make web browsers for some old platforms like MS-DOS or the Macintosh, they could reasonably be used. Kinda.

Much better also would be to ditch the web entirely for these systems and use a lighter protocol such as Gemini instead. Because the modern internet with it's javascripts and html5 nonsense isn't running on old hardware any time soon. Or heck, we could revive WML again. Either or.

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Posted on 11-13-20 03:58:05 AM Link | Quote
I'll use Gemini as soon as I don't need a new browser to do it. When it gets into lynx or Firefox I'll consider it.

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Posted on 11-16-20 05:32:57 AM (last edited by devurandom at 11-16-20 05:33:08 AM) Link | Quote

Equipment:

Personally, I think that the best possible thing for retro-online-computing would be if someone took one of these "Wi-Fi modems" for computers like the C64 and, in addition to that, stuck a 65816 running at a high frequency or another more powerful version of a retro-processor. Then that processor could be realistically tasked to do encryption, and it wouldn't go too far from what people actually did with C64s (SuperCPU comes to mind).

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Posted on 11-16-20 05:55:32 AM Link | Quote

Yeah I fucked around on gemini last week and it's a nice experience, the one thing I didn't like was that the most convenient to use browser didn't resize images. Ahh... but it was otherwise good.

There was some pages that were replies to blog posts. They felt chaotic and hard to follow. Maybe it's more palatable to pro gopher users but to me it felt like, man, mailing lists! Those seem a lot better!

I think that the best possible thing for retro-online-computing would be if someone took one of these "Wi-Fi modems" for computers like the C64 and, in addition to that, stuck a 65816 running at a high frequency or another more powerful version of a retro-processor.


Yeah that sounds good. Some kind of generic little device with a ethernet jack (or even serial?) that can be be customized to plug into various retro computers that is just strong enough to do SSL/HTML transcribing and so on...

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Posted on 11-16-20 06:05:22 AM Link | Quote
Funny to think that the Raspberry Pi 400 has come out since my last post, which takes care of everything but the display. (Kinda like old 8 and 16 bit machines, in that respect, not to mention it's all in the keyboard...)

If you have power, storage, a MicroHDMI cable, and a mouse, then the unit is $70, but for $30 more you'd get all those things... generally a better deal, even if just because powering one of the things can be kinda finicky sometimes.

At $70-100, you could spend marginally more on a far more powerful machine, even if usually secondhand - though going for lower price points, bang for the buck isn't exactly always on the table.

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Posted on 01-03-21 11:28:30 PM (last edited by rokken at 01-03-21 11:29:51 PM) Link | Quote
I bought my 2005 Dell Inspiron 2200 laptop for $25 on eBay, free shipping. It doesn't like Puppy Linux all that much and ends up locking up when doing more than one thing at a time on PL, but Haiku runs... relatively great, and supports fairly modern web browsers, Otter specifically being the one I'm currently using. A little buggy and has no drivers for any hardware newer than ca. 2000, but it's still in Beta 2, they have time. ReactOS just can't handle the laptop's hardware at all, and is nearly unusable for any actual work. XP/2000 run perfectly, it was designed with them in mind, but XP/2000 don't really have many new web browsers coming out for them besides maybe New Moon.

For fun, I ran NT 3.51 on it with no trouble at all, and it even had decent performance. I didn't expect that for such new hardware, but I suppose it wasn't yet worlds away from the mid-1990s hardware that it was designed for.

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Posted on 04-26-21 04:11:06 PM Link | Quote
Really depends on what parts of the web you want to browse. A PSP or Wii can do it, but you won't be able to use a lot of modern sites, both because they're stupid bloated JavaScript monstrosities and because they use tech that just didn't exist back then.

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I mentioned this in another thread but Mypal has really gotten me out of binds with older systems that I keep seeing where people either really want XP to run for one reason or another or refuse outright. Believe it's based off Firefox 3 and the design sure shows it but it runs fairly well, even on an Atom-based netbook (with realistic limitations). Enough to run YT at 360p without it stuttering all over the place, at least.

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I recently grabbed a cheap 2010 netbook off eBay and have been seeing what kinds of sites I can run in modern Firefox on a mostly barebones Arch Linux+LXDE installation, it works rather well for light sites, though anything modern and bloated will slow the entire thing down, with Discord basically freezing up the entire thing (thank god for native third-party apps like Ripcord though, Ripcord runs great)

I really like using the thing though, it's nice to see it breeze through sites like this one, though it's unfortunately mainly a novelty since a 2010 Atom CPU really is that bad for modern tasks

Here's a pic of the thing (also pictured: my main laptop under it):



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I bought a Power Mac G4 (AGP) 450MHz for $36 and it's handled just about all the sites I've thrown at it with grace. Maybe not as quickly as a Chromebook, but Chromebooks can cost ten times the price I paid, for certainly less than ten times the functionality; I have access to every program written for any version of Mac OS between System 7.1 and 10.4.11, and the utterly useless 68K emulator that gets worse performance running 3D Pinball Space Cadet than just outright emulating an entire Pentium II computer and playing it on Windows XP is also present. 10.4Fx is a very capable browser and I'm sad it's discontinued, though still does receive security patches.

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Posted on 12-13-21 12:04:03 AM Link | Quote
for me, I think the answer has to be a used cheapo smartphone. I remember one phone I had was 40 bucks new, and that handled the web perfectly fine, so i'm sure you could find something even better for like 10 bucks if you really looked around. in terms of computers, I once managed to find a Windows 98 machine sitting outside some hole in the wall thrift store for 5 bucks, and i'm sure you could find a keyboard, mouse, and monitor for not much more in a similar (or the same) place. other than that, an older single board computer and a touchscreen would do nicely with a lightweight linux install i'm sure.
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Posted on 12-14-21 04:26:55 PM Link | Quote
ok this is totally cheating but, library. libraries typically have computers that you can use for free and library cards are free. so i guess the cheapest internet system is a library computer.

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Posted on 12-14-21 05:37:28 PM Link | Quote
The Raspberry Pi Zero 2 is now a thing, and for five more dollars than the Zero W, it packs a whole hell of a lot more punch. (Comparable to a Pi 3/+, if I remember correctly?)

...Of course, there's still the whole "512MB of RAM" thing to contend with, but considering a lot of the other ideas, that's not too big of an issue, really!

(This again assumes you have a display and input devices, though... and ignores the case completely.)

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Posted on 01-06-22 11:49:16 AM Link | Quote
video playback on the Raspberry Pi 4 (with 8gb of ram) sucks pretty bad, i can say from experience, so i wouldn't imagine something even smaller doing much better... plus there's finding a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.

there's always the classic Buy-a-Used-ThinkPadβ„’ method, i was using an x220 in 2018 and it was a pretty good time, and i'm sure with a lightweight OS it can handle most things inside of a web browser just fine, including video playback.

i think cheapness overall comes to the mileage you get out of a product. you could pay $100 for something and have it last a year, or $200 and have it last three years, i'd say the latter is a better deal. either way it's always fun to play with cheap technology and see how much you can get outta it
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Posted on 01-09-22 05:22:50 AM Link | Quote

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It might not be strictly speaking the cheapest option that can run a web browser, but honestly I think a great option for a cheap internet system these days would be a used Chromebook from a few years ago and installing Linux, I just got this used ThinkPad Chromebook 11e for very cheap on eBay and despite it having a somewhat old Celeron, it's plenty capable of modern web browsing on my Arch Linux install, even with somewhat heavy stuff like Discord (why is Discord so heavy though wtf)

It makes that Acer netbook I posted about a while ago in this thread look like a joke, that thing can't handle the modern web at all (Discord literally freezes it), and a Chromebook like this can often be had for cheaper too, probably thanks to schools offloading them in large numbers

You probably don't have to install Linux on one of these of course, but Chrome OS often no longer gets updates on these Chromebooks anymore because of their age (even though they still work fine...), and of course it's better if you wanna do anything that isn't just running Chrome, like if you use Firefox like me, or wanna use something like LibreOffice offline instead of Google Docs



Oh yeah, it can also be a bit annoying that a number of these Chromebooks only have 16GB of storage built-in, but most Linux distros don't fill up that much anyway (*cough* unlike Windows *cough*), and also btrfs filesystem compression is very handy on these, it saves quite a bit of space if you can get it set up

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line 687 column 47 - Warning: missing </nobr> before </table>
line 689 column 99 - Warning: <style> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 689 column 25 - Info: <td> previously mentioned
line 689 column 377 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 689 column 632 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 694 column 1448 - Warning: missing </center>
line 697 column 9 - Warning: <div> isn't allowed in <table> elements
line 152 column 17 - Info: <table> previously mentioned
line 699 column 9 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 717 column 13 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 718 column 102 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&postid"
line 727 column 9 - Warning: <div> isn't allowed in <table> elements
line 152 column 17 - Info: <table> previously mentioned
line 729 column 9 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 747 column 13 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 748 column 102 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&postid"
line 750 column 74 - Warning: <style> isn't allowed in <td> elements
line 750 column 9 - Info: <td> previously mentioned
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line 761 column 17 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 761 column 17 - Warning: discarding unexpected <table>
line 764 column 35 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 764 column 97 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&page"
line 764 column 50 - Warning: missing </font> before </td>
line 764 column 132 - Warning: missing </font> before </table>
line 766 column 35 - Warning: missing <tr>
line 766 column 50 - Warning: missing </font> before </td>
line 767 column 37 - Warning: unescaped & or unknown entity "&id"
line 766 column 216 - Warning: missing </font> before </table>
line 768 column 17 - Warning: discarding unexpected </textarea>
line 768 column 28 - Warning: discarding unexpected </form>
line 768 column 35 - Warning: discarding unexpected </embed>
line 768 column 43 - Warning: discarding unexpected </noembed>
line 768 column 53 - Warning: discarding unexpected </noscript>
line 768 column 64 - Warning: discarding unexpected </noembed>
line 768 column 74 - Warning: discarding unexpected </embed>
line 768 column 82 - Warning: discarding unexpected </table>
line 768 column 90 - Warning: discarding unexpected </table>
line 770 column 9 - Warning: missing </font> before <table>
line 782 column 25 - Warning: discarding unexpected </font>
line 791 column 57 - Warning: discarding unexpected </font>
line 769 column 1 - Warning: missing </center>
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line 125 column 93 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 148 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 148 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 161 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 189 column 43 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 189 column 43 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 189 column 86 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 189 column 86 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 189 column 129 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 189 column 129 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 189 column 172 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 189 column 172 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 189 column 215 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 189 column 215 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 189 column 258 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 189 column 258 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 189 column 301 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 189 column 301 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 217 column 16 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 217 column 59 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 217 column 59 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 217 column 102 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 217 column 102 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 217 column 145 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 217 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 272 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 336 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 364 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 375 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 382 column 74 - Warning: <div> anchor "nympost" already defined
line 391 column 14 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 391 column 14 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 391 column 57 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 391 column 57 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 391 column 100 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 391 column 100 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 392 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 392 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 410 column 1158 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 448 column 43 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 448 column 43 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 448 column 86 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 448 column 86 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 448 column 129 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 448 column 129 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 448 column 172 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 448 column 172 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 448 column 215 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 448 column 215 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 448 column 258 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 448 column 301 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 448 column 301 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 529 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 529 column 58 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 529 column 58 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 529 column 101 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 529 column 101 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 529 column 144 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 529 column 144 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 529 column 187 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 529 column 187 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 529 column 230 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 529 column 230 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 529 column 273 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 529 column 273 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 529 column 316 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 529 column 316 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 529 column 359 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 529 column 359 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 627 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 642 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 664 column 602 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 675 column 43 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 675 column 43 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 86 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 675 column 86 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 129 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 675 column 129 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 172 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 675 column 172 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 215 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 675 column 215 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 258 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 675 column 258 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 675 column 301 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 675 column 301 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 677 column 33 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 682 column 37 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 689 column 401 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 694 column 1636 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 695 column 1676 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 702 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 702 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 702 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 713 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 731 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 732 column 22 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 732 column 63 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 732 column 112 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 732 column 162 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 733 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 743 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 750 column 1306 - Warning: <div> anchor "shiningwing-post" already defined
line 756 column 2629 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 767 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 767 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 767 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 776 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 781 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 247 column 18 - Warning: trimming empty <b>
line 442 column 1741 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 761 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 201 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 234 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 288 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 318 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 352 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 380 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 408 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 434 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 460 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 491 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 519 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 546 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 572 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 606 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 632 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 658 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 687 column 47 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 718 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 748 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 408 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

About HTML Tidy: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5
Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md