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marrub

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Posted on 10-25-20 05:26:30 AM (last edited by marrub at 10-25-20 05:26:52 AM) Link | Quote
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social media is inherently a bad concept to me. some sites are better than others. IM is ok but i don't have time for it anymore. forums are in a sweet spot for me.

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SC
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Posted on 10-25-20 04:35:13 PM Link | Quote
i only go on twitter and mastodon because i like consuming content. that's relaly about it. 99% of my twitter is retweets and that's it

i would like. put every twitter person into an rss reader but too much effort

also i kinda like tweeting out questions to my few hundred followers sometimes????? especially when nobody on discord or mastodon knows the question

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Posted on 10-25-20 04:44:48 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by SC
also i kinda like tweeting out questions to my few hundred followers sometimes????? especially when nobody on discord or mastodon knows the question

this is a privilege that i always wanted while i was on twitter, but i could never get past 16 followers
DarkWitchClaire

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Posted on 10-26-20 11:40:30 AM Link | Quote

i was thinking about the discussion last night and i realize that people expect forum posts to be long or carefully thought out long term posts, but there's no reason why there can't be some garbage there as well. not in the same way as just linking a meme you found elsewhere or some of the craziness domain threads that were created recently, but i feel like if we allow ourselves to post some of it here it will help make the forums feel like less of an effort and drive up more meaningful posts with it (which the spree did anyway)

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fimbul
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Posted on 10-26-20 11:45:34 AM (last edited by fimbul at 10-26-20 11:52:19 AM) Link | Quote

I guess the thing about forums is that people see a post more than once.
In other social media like discord and twitter, you usually only see a post once or twice. The only recurring posts are memes and so on, so not very information dense or worthwhile posts in the long run.

By having everything in threads that are clearly labeled and not lost in a sea of everythingness, the forum still has something no other social media has.

I guess this builds community + mutual understanding of complex problems/thought lines. On twitter and discord you usually only see whats going on that day, or the last hour. You don't get to re-thread a thread days if not weeks later and take in peoples opinions/thoughts. Instead, the thread does a re-run on twitter and discord until people get sick of it.

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Posted on 10-26-20 03:49:58 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by DarkWitchClaire
i was thinking about the discussion last night and i realize that people expect forum posts to be long or carefully thought out long term posts, but there's no reason why there can't be some garbage there as well. not in the same way as just linking a meme you found elsewhere or some of the craziness domain threads that were created recently, but i feel like if we allow ourselves to post some of it here it will help make the forums feel like less of an effort and drive up more meaningful posts with it (which the spree did anyway)


yeah, the forum format lends itself to longer posts (compared to chatrooms where splitting sentences across several messages is common) but there's nothing wrong with short or even single image posts, most social media with a tight character limit has some provision for longer posts (i guess large amounts of meme stuff should be kept in dedicated thread/s but the odd post is fine)
Kaj

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Posted on 10-26-20 07:04:39 PM Link | Quote
one thing i can note is on social media everything is sorted from newest to oldest (ignoring algorithmic timelines) while on forums it's oldest to newest.
DarkWitchClaire

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Posted on 10-26-20 07:15:46 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Rachael
one thing i can note is on social media everything is sorted from newest to oldest (ignoring algorithmic timelines) while on forums it's oldest to newest.

posts are but threads are sorted latest activity first, that's the nice thing about them. every social media service seems to think you only ever want to see the most current things

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Posted on 11-02-20 05:52:25 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Jill
a problem i have with forums is that they tend to make me excessively second-guess myself so it can take a ridiculous amount of time and energy to drop a single post


This is actually the reason why I tend to lurk while contributing little to nothing while browsing message boards. I can easily see my older messages, things that I no longer agree with and things that I said when I was less mature and I feel like any messages I make is going to be the same thing.
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Posted on 11-05-20 07:40:29 AM Link | Quote

i don't really have strong opinions on social media vs forums, except that i kinda feel like the notifications that social media services provide are helpful in keeping me on track for when things happen and not forgetting things.

chat-wise, an IRC/matrix/telegram-like structure (where a channel is a unitary structure) is kinda preferable to me compared to the discord/slack-like one (where each server has a ton of channels that one has to check individually).

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Posted on 11-05-20 10:36:13 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Jill
a problem i have with forums is that they tend to make me excessively second-guess myself so it can take a ridiculous amount of time and energy to drop a single post

for a long time for me it was hard to post, like I'd spend 10 minutes second-guessing myself

my anxiety was cause when I was younger I made shitty posts and got bullied for it, so I became super insecure whenever trying to post on forums



now i don't give a shit
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Posted on 11-05-20 10:37:30 AM Link | Quote
not giving a shit kicks ass. i highly recommend it*

* in moderation, of course. spamming is bad, but just posting when you have stuff you wanna say and not laboring over it too hard is good

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Posted on 11-05-20 10:40:07 AM Link | Quote
yeah those one-word-per-post forum games in craziness domain recently were silly :p
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Posted on 11-05-20 04:41:43 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by devurandom
i don't really have strong opinions on social media vs forums, except that i kinda feel like the notifications that social media services provide are helpful in keeping me on track for when things happen and not forgetting things.

chat-wise, an IRC/matrix/telegram-like structure (where a channel is a unitary structure) is kinda preferable to me compared to the discord/slack-like one (where each server has a ton of channels that one has to check individually).


multiple channels can be nice to have in the same way multiple forums per board are (clearer seperation and easily ignoring things you don't care about), although i guess it depends on how the server is set up
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Posted on 11-05-20 05:32:18 PM Link | Quote

it's the having to check each channel individually that i dislike the most, but many servers also create way too many channels that you can't ignore in case one happens to have a conversation you want to participate in

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Posted on 11-06-20 02:39:01 AM Link | Quote
I like Discord, but I mostly use it for a few quiet servers. I've always had trouble tracking busy conversations, text or voice, but the arrangement of Discord makes it much easier for me. It's also much better than IRC for leaving offline messages for, for example, a group playing an MMO together.

Twitter is garbage and honestly the only reason I remade my account was to keep up with foone easier.
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Discord is good, but i keep myself to like 5 servers at most, the others i'm in just in case someone needs to ping me

wasn't foone on mastodon? i think i remember seeing someone with that username around there before...

Originally posted by Rachael
for a long time for me it was hard to post, like I'd spend 10 minutes second-guessing myself

my anxiety was cause when I was younger I made shitty posts and got bullied for it, so I became super insecure whenever trying to post on forums

now i don't give a shit

me too

sometimes (somedays?) my brain is too dead for me to bother putting any attention to my posts (like today) so i just sorta write stuff in whatever way i feel like and as long as its legible its fine

sometimes that is not the case and i end up rewriting my posts, second-guessing, etc.

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Posted on 11-18-20 09:12:02 PM Link | Quote
idk. i love forums but i keep forgetting to use them. discord is the big thing these days that everyone i know uses so its what i use more often. both have their own pros but discord doesnt really have "charm" if you know what i mean, while this kinda forums do
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Originally posted by shan
idk. i love forums but i keep forgetting to use them.


Kinda same...

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Posted on 11-19-20 11:03:45 PM Link | Quote
it would be cool if i became active here hopefully i can remember to loll
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line 681 column 14 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 681 column 57 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 737 column 244 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 746 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 751 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 212 column 1307 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 731 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 205 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 236 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 263 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 290 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 321 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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line 672 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 698 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 726 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 318 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
Validate your HTML documents: http://validator.w3.org/nu/
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Do you speak a language other than English, or a different variant of
English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md