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Posted on 09-22-18 08:17:25 AM (last edited by Kawaii-e at 10-24-18 01:44:42 AM) Link | Quote
As I mentioned in what you've got thread, I bought a new in box Famicom Data Recorder a while ago. And it came with a cassette containing a sample program.

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Posted on 09-30-18 02:25:50 AM Link | Quote
Are you able to upload the WAV recording of the tape and not the mp3?
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Posted on 10-23-18 04:33:03 PM Link | Quote
FLAC would be even better. It's lossless compression.
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Posted on 10-23-18 06:45:13 PM Link | Quote
I wish I had seen this earlier, then I could've tried to get a WAV ...

As it is, with a lot of gnashing of sweat and tears:




Frustratingly close, yet so far away
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Posted on 10-24-18 01:45:53 AM Link | Quote
Sorry for the delay, finally got arround to it again and reuploded the uncompressed wave file.


FamiliBasic.MP3, it's dot WAV

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Posted on 10-24-18 11:14:54 AM Link | Quote






Use Family BASIC v3.0. Here are .vtp files (usable in VirtuaNES and Nestopia, though Nestopia looks for .tp instead):

Here's the VTP I converted from the .wav. I'm not entirely sure it's 100% correct (though obviously it loads without issue), since I cut out the voices and I'm not sure what the "SKIP" messages are for, but with the uncompressed WAV file at least we can try again if needed.

FamilyBASIC-Sample3-fromtape.vtp

Accordingly, once loaded, I re-saved it from within Family BASIC to get a direct, new VTP file:

FamilyBASIC-Sample3-resave.vtp

Notably this one's a lot smaller than the original and seems to mostly resemble the second, final segment. I'm not sure what the first ones are for.


For anyone who wants to try this disaster for themselves:

- Open the original audio in Audacity
- (?) Strip out the voices by highlighting them and deleting them
- Use Analyze -> Plot Spectrum; I'm not sure where the lowest peak should be but 2035hz seems to be where the VTPs VirtuaNES dumps sit
- Effect -> Change Speed, set a multiplier of ~0.975× or so
- File -> Export Audio, use "Other Uncompressed Formats", then hit Options and choose "RAW (No header)" and "8-bit PCM, unsigned"
- Save as whatever

- Open Family BASIC v3.0 in VirtuaNES (or Nestopia?)
- Type "LOAD"
- Edit -> ExtDevice -> Tape -> Play, choose the file you saved
- Wait a while for it to finish and say TAPE STOP. in the emulator and (hopefully) OK in-game
- Type LIST to see the code or RUN to play it

Hopefully with these instructions you, too, can archive and save any weird-ass BASIC programs you find.

I'd like to see if you can play back a VTP by doing the inverse (that is, opening as RAW in Audacity, and playing it back to a real thing) but I still need a Family BASIC keyboard of my own I should probably get on that.
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Posted on 10-24-18 11:19:56 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I'd like to see if you can play back a VTP by doing the inverse (that is, opening as RAW in Audacity, and playing it back to a real thing) but I still need a Family BASIC keyboard of my own I should probably get on that.

I do happen to have a Family BASIC keyboard (but no data recorder), I'll try to remember to give it a try when I get home.
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Posted on 10-24-18 11:45:27 AM Link | Quote
If you can plug your computer's sound into the FB keyboard's load port (It's just a typical 3.5mm port, iirc) you'll be fine. As far as I'm aware the data recorder is just a Nintendo-brand cassette deck and not anything special
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Posted on 10-24-18 12:20:22 PM Link | Quote
It is just a standard branded type deck, a cheap one too.

Please be aware, the Family Basic Keyboard has mono ports, it may not work with stereo cables.
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Posted on 10-24-18 03:07:32 PM Link | Quote
@Kawaii-e
Unless I misunderstand, don't you have the hardware to use this tape in the "official" way - if so ,couldn't you try it out and see if the program produced matches Xkeeper's results?
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Posted on 10-24-18 08:07:56 PM Link | Quote
Playing back the WAV over to my Family BASIC Keyboard (using a stereo cable since that's all I had on hand, but it worked fine), I can reproduce Xk's results:


(switched monitors because the white sprites on plain black didn't photograph well on my color TV)
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Posted on 10-25-18 10:52:39 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Hiccup
@Kawaii-e
Unless I misunderstand, don't you have the hardware to use this tape in the "official" way - if so ,couldn't you try it out and see if the program produced matches Xkeeper's results?


I did that back when I got everything new.

I got the same results with Family Basic 3. But never understood how to load it in Family Basic 1.
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Posted on 10-25-18 11:07:35 AM Link | Quote
For what it's worth, the correct sequence appears to be:

LOADS:LOAD

That will load the background as well:



This will probably only work on V3, though. Not sure if v2 or v2.1 had the LOADS command.
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Posted on 10-25-18 01:20:41 PM Link | Quote
Is that Comic Sans I see as xkeeper's window title font?
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