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Posted on 02-20-18 11:54:11 AM Link | Quote
The most contentious hot take: Terminal is kind of shit and not at all a good way to manage and do tasks in an OS. (Probably popular opinion if you ask the layman, but I mean more within the IT field here).
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Posted on 02-20-18 01:32:08 PM Link | Quote
Oh, this is a fun one.

Linux is a horrendous pile of hacks curated by awful people and if the Year of the Linux Desktop never comes we're better off without it.
The Free Software community is actively harmful to its own goals. Open source has a large number of terrible people but it's not unified so there's no one big group of bad.
Windows 10 is better than Windows 7. Anyone still using Windows 7 because they're angry about upgrading deserves whatever hellvirus they get the day after end of support.
Modern design languages are not unilaterally bad.
PowerShell is really nice for administering systems.
Cryptocurrency should be illegal.
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Posted on 02-20-18 02:23:17 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Kazinsal
Linux is a horrendous pile of hacks curated by awful people and if the Year of the Linux Desktop never comes we're better off without it.
as opposed to windows which is a well-organized ironclad operating system curated by nice, benevolent people

Originally posted by Kazinsal
Windows 10 is better than Windows 7. Anyone still using Windows 7 because they're angry about upgrading deserves whatever hellvirus they get the day after end of support.
this opinion sucks

Originally posted by hydra-calm
-Mice are clunky and awful for anything outside of very specialized applications, and should be eliminated from things like programming, web browsing, chat and writing.
i'm a big keyboard person and i hate touchscreens but what's up with tech people being angry and feeling like their way is the best and every other way ought to be Eliminated

like part of the joy of computers is end-user customization and the plurality of experiences i don't get why people are so fuckin mad
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Posted on 02-20-18 02:28:58 PM Link | Quote
that's my unpopular tech opinion btw, tech has a toxic ass culture around it and tech people are generally elitist and (last point esp true in corporate profit-motivated tech) don't have a lot of respect for what other people want out of their computing experiences
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Posted on 02-20-18 02:35:08 PM Link | Quote
Linux on the desktop is Mac OS X (*1), as much as I dislike modern day Apple (*2). The "Year(s) of the Linux Desktop" were 2007 to 2009 - Mac OS X Leopard's lifespan. Leopard in particular being personal preference, since it's the last PowerPC version, thus the last one I can use without making a Hackintosh, and since it's the last one without the App Store, I believe.

I'll edit this or make another post if I can think of more stuff.

(*1 Yes, BSD/NeXTSTEP/Darwin/whatever, not "Linux" as such)

(*2 Posted from PowerBook G4 & Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8)
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Posted on 02-20-18 02:45:07 PM Link | Quote
OS X is neat because it's officially a Certified Unix and it doesn't blow (contrast AIX and Solaris, and I guess HP-UX and SCO if those still exist in any capacity). Certified Unix just means you have a lot of money to blow on Big Iron dickwaving though.

OpenBSD is my favourite Unix-like.
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Posted on 02-20-18 02:47:05 PM Link | Quote
i like windows 10 more than 7

lots of vitriol in this thread tbh. maybe you all need to take a breath before you post your opinion.

probably not unpopular on this forum, but generally unpopular everywhere non-tech: i don’t like 16:9 screens.
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Posted on 02-20-18 02:48:06 PM Link | Quote
Isn't the app store and window 10's windows store just expansions of the packet manager concept anyway? With a more commercial interest, of course.

Originally posted by Rambly
that's my unpopular tech opinion btw, tech has a toxic ass culture around it and tech people are generally elitist and (last point esp true in corporate profit-motivated tech) don't have a lot of respect for what other people want out of their computing experiences
I agree with this. I don't want to come across as taking a piss on linux users or anything, I just have my own preferences. :V
Customisability is like, the top thing that computers should really focus even more on.


Also what I like about having a GUI is that it doesn't inherently limit access to a terminal should you want it, where as not having a GUI don't give you many options. :I
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Posted on 02-20-18 03:00:09 PM (last edited by Kazinsal at 02-20-18 03:00:18 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Lunaria
Isn't the app store and window 10's windows store just expansions of the packet manager concept anyway? With a more commercial interest, of course.

Yep! It uses the same backend as the -AppxPackage PowerShell cmdlets. And the appx packages are basically the application MSI and a manifest containing information about the application, prerequisites, visual elements, capabilities, publisher identity info, and device capabilities and requirements.

Originally posted by sofi
probably not unpopular on this forum, but generally unpopular everywhere non-tech: i don’t like 16:9 screens.

I haven't owned one in a very long time but I got to use a pair of 1920x1200 screens while I was working on-site for a customer the week before Christmas and it was absolutely wonderful. Unfortunately they're so much more expensive than 1920x1080 and I don't even know if anyone makes 1920x1200 high refresh rate monitors...
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Posted on 02-20-18 06:21:45 PM Link | Quote
My hot take:

Smartphones are crap, annoying devices that demand constant attention like a hyperactive child and most of us would be better with dumbphones that literally just text and make phonecalls.

I may or may not be bitter because I was forced to upgrade to one recently.
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Posted on 02-20-18 07:17:45 PM Link | Quote
offf, that's so much like me! I would prefer a dumb phone over a smartphone in practically any situation.

However, as more and more things are moved to the internet here, having access to the internet on the fly is a huge factor. However, I still believe this could be done on a dumb phone, in fact, it was done on dumb phones before smartphones became a thing.
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Posted on 02-20-18 10:22:40 PM Link | Quote
As infuriatingly jank as Linux can be, I'll take it any day over Windows 10.

Originally posted by Xkeeper, elsewhere
Having bought a new laptop that had Windows 10 on it:

- The lack of customization really sucks. I want more than just a single goddamn color, and you can't even change inactive title bars. So if you're like me and you have 50 windows open, there's a bunch of blinding white everywhere

- I am really, really tired of not being able to update when I want. I'm sick of taking a nap to find all of my programs closed and my work lost because Windows thinks it knows better than I do.

- I am sick of the patronizing "we're hip now!" language. Rather than "5 updates ready to install" it's "We need your help to kick off some updates! Just a few more steps and we're done!" or "Hi, we've got lots of great new features to get excited about". It reminds me of some over-eager father figure and it sucks

- It's still completely fucked w/r/t the two different paradigms. If I want to change my keyboard repeat rate, now I have to dig through five menus to find the old control panel applet to do it, because the shiny new one won't let me. Half of the shit is spread out.

- The Metro interface is still a disgrace to UX. Whitespace, flat, it's all trash.

- Did you know Chrome is bad? Try Edge. Please. Love us.

- I can't just set what opens with what. Now Windows bundles a few specific file types in the menu, and trying to set those automatically (when I want to) fails and Windows helpfully reports there was a "problem" and resets it to its default.

- Scroll wheels are fucked up somehow. I don't know what they did, but everything either feels sluggish or way too fast.

- The constant reminders that it isn't my computer. "This PC". "Windows is a service". "We'll let you turn this option off for now, but it will turn on again tomorrow." No. Let me do what I fucking want and leave me alone. I feel like I'm using a goddamn "We'll turn off Wifi for a little while, but our stuff that requires it will still have access" iPhone.

- The Start menu sucks now; I don't want "tiles", I want a list like before, without huge letter headings taking up half the space. I can't even add my own programs to it! I can add them as a tile, but not to the list. What the fuck?



I feel like I have to fight the OS at every turn and I honestly miss Windows XP and Windows 7.


With Linux, at least it still feels like I have some semblance of control over my machine. It's a shame, as I loved Windows 8.1 (and even found it a giant improvement over 7)
Also, the ability to mold it as I'd like is super nice, even if these days it seems to be harder and harder to theme everything

OS X... is my favorite so far as the OS goes, honestly, but Apple hardware is so far gone from anything I want these days I don't want to bother.

I might still build a 10 machine for gaming, we'll see. It's more likely I'll just get a PS4 or something, though, at this rate
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Posted on 02-21-18 02:18:42 AM Link | Quote
Windows 10 is a garbage fire of an operating system that I will never use.
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Posted on 02-21-18 02:24:32 AM (last edited by Rambly at 02-21-18 02:25:46 AM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by hydra-calm
Yeah, "eliminated" was poor word choice -- what I really meant was "elminated as a compulsory element of doing these things". My WM has plenty of optional mouse control. Sorry for any confusion there.
it's ok, you're fine; i misinterpreted your post and i jumped to conclusions, and i'm sorry. i'm kind of used to people *genuinely* having the opinion that things they don't like should be eliminated, and i tend to not assume good faith because i'm not used to seeing it in tech circles

for the record, i agree with you. i don't believe *any* kind of input should be compulsory if it can be helped.



because i feel like i need to clarify because my original post was terse and unkind, and because i don't want people feeling like they're not allowed to see good things in windows 10:
Originally posted by Kazinsal
Windows 10 is better than Windows 7. Anyone still using Windows 7 because they're angry about upgrading deserves whatever hellvirus they get the day after end of support.
for the record, i wasn't trying to say this opinion sucks because i don't like the fact that people like windows 10 more than 7 (i'm actually not sure which i like more on a personal level! there's things i like about 10 and things i like about 7), i was just not fond of the implication that nobody has a legitimate reason to not want to upgrade to Windows 10 (peoples' grievances are valid) and furthermore saying people deserve w/e virus is kind of ridiculous and pointlessly vindictive

i frequently see w/e appeal to novelty bullshit about how people should upgrade to Windows 10 because It's The Future and also generalizing everyone who doesn't like Windows 10 as people who just hate change. i am sorry for the bitterness, and it was unwarranted; it's just a sticking point for me, i see it so, so exhaustingly often, and it frustrates me.



i guess i'll contribute my unpopular tech opinion:
- i don't find the start screen as seen in 8.1 all that bad, really? i mean, i still prefer a menu, but i found that when i used the start screen it didn't really impact my workflow very much (not like i need to multitask anyway when i have the start menu open), and i could fit more icons on the screen, so in some ways it was nicer
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Posted on 02-21-18 02:52:42 AM Link | Quote
so if everyone in this thread hates Windows 10, how is it an unpopular opinion? or is this the Do the Popular Thing and Trash Windows 10 thread instead of the unpopular tech opinion thread now?

anyway, i think the Vista sidebar is cool. imagine running it on dwm in OpenBSD.
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Posted on 02-21-18 02:57:27 AM Link | Quote
I still like Windows 10, but I really do think it's more flawed than 7 is.

- lack of theming (version updates that break it)
- not being able to turn off updates (i mean i GET the motivation behind why they're doing that... but still... c'mon)
- the share 'charm' (or w/e its called) as well as the My People taskbar thing'm ONLY working with UWP apps (why????? the ability to share photos from explorer directly to discord would be Very Good imo)
- the striking suspicion that MS made this OS based on what they THINK people would like instead of polling people directly like with windows 7 (via uservoice)
- why does the Control Panel still exist if the Settings app is supposed to be the new hotness. WHY ms. why

But it does have its positives:

- fullscreen startscreen as well as app folders
- weather and mail UWP apps are pretty good
- i kinda like the flat design honestly???
- an actual notification center so i can see that one notification bubble i missed cause i wasn't looking at the screen for 5 seconds
- myTube Beta is VERY good (even if it is a paid app)

I honestly think Windows 10 is good enough for most people. I do understand why some people would hate it, though. (I think the reason I haven't completely dumped it by now is because I like to turn my computer off at night, unlike X. )
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Posted on 02-21-18 04:10:03 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by sofi
so if everyone in this thread hates Windows 10, how is it an unpopular opinion? or is this the Do the Popular Thing and Trash Windows 10 thread instead of the unpopular tech opinion thread now?

anyway, i think the Vista sidebar is cool. imagine running it on dwm in OpenBSD.


everyone who dislikes windows 10 is saying it here because this is a thread for unpopular opinions. concentrating something rare makes it *seem* more common, no?
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Posted on 02-21-18 04:21:09 AM Link | Quote
I find people saying that they like windows 10 is more rare though? Like, occasionally I see people say that they find it okay or that they can deal with it. Like, even my dad who isn't a power user hates windows 10 because one of the forced updates soft bricked his computer (blue screened on OS start-up) till they updated again.
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Posted on 02-21-18 04:47:58 AM (last edited by sofi at 02-21-18 04:57:29 AM) Link | Quote
Lunaria nailed it. the unpopular opinion, even outside of this forum, would be to say you like Windows 10. i’m not sure where you’re finding that the prevalent opinion is liking Windows 10, 2Tie. hence my post (which was sarcastic btw and was meant to point out that everyone was derailing this thread by complaining about Windows 10, which everyone already does, thus making it not an unpopular opinion).

btw, you know what’s the best of the ’90s OSes? Windows ME. discuss. 😈
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Posted on 02-21-18 06:53:13 AM Link | Quote
The popular opinion on most of the internet, in my experience, has been that W10 is good, is the future, and anyone that doesn't like it just hates change. While there are lots of complaints about it, most people (again, in my experience) think that, overall, it's a good upgrade. You'd generally get downvotes on most popular subreddits for saying W7 > W10, for instance. It definitely isn't as thoroughly loved as W7 was over Vista though, that's for sure.

Anyway, unpopular opinions: flat design sucks, low-contrast design sucks, tablet-level whitespace sucks
I imagine most of this forum will at least partly agree with those, but given their prevalence, it's obviously a minority opinion. Modern "minimalist" design, as far as I'm concerned, are a blight on usability, in return for aesthetics. It's a case of form over function, and I find it, frankly, disgusting.
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