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Posted on 02-21-18 07:05:53 PM Link | Quote
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Forensic psychiatrists have determined that 3-5% of mass shootings are committed by people who are diagnosed with a mental illness. And murdering out of bigotry, revenge, ideology, etc is not a sign of mental illness which is typically why these shootings happen. If in fact they did have to do with mental illness, then why are 98% of mass shooters male when mental illness affects people regardless of their gender? It's pretty clear that it's a culture of toxic masculinity- I mean how many times does a guy murder a girl because she rejected him? Are we gonna start referring to the KKK as mentally ill? A lot of people are just assholes and people don't seem to get that.

Thank you so much for being much more specific and clear about what I was trying to say.

Originally posted by Amberetto
and also the government has tanks, nukes, drones, etc; I'm sure their rifles would stand a chance though.

Superior tech does not necessarily mean they would destroy any resistance. In the Vietnam war, the US had vastly superior technology but the guerrilla tactics of the Viet Cong made things a lot harder. And pretty much every war ever since has been similar.

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Posted on 02-22-18 04:03:54 PM Link | Quote
Honestly though, I'd see that scenario playing out more like Germany's invasion of Poland. Most history books will gloss over the fact that the Polish people turned their own basements into weapon factories, built tanks out of scrap, and made Molotov catapults.

And regardless of that, they were still very much steamrolled after six weeks.

I don't know what very-late 1930's Poland was like with gun control, and I admire Poland's scrappiness, and it's a different time now, yet unless some amazing teamwork and strategy is employed, I can only imagine the same overall steamrolling scenario playing out.

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Posted on 02-22-18 06:35:14 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tarale
Superior tech does not necessarily mean they would destroy any resistance. In the Vietnam war, the US had vastly superior technology but the guerrilla tactics of the Viet Cong made things a lot harder. And pretty much every war ever since has been similar.

The problem is that we now have fully remotely operated murdering devices — drones. Guerilla warfare isn't going to matter when some bean counter in some office is shooting a missile at you from across the country.

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Posted on 02-22-18 08:01:27 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Originally posted by Tarale
Superior tech does not necessarily mean they would destroy any resistance. In the Vietnam war, the US had vastly superior technology but the guerrilla tactics of the Viet Cong made things a lot harder. And pretty much every war ever since has been similar.

The problem is that we now have fully remotely operated murdering devices — drones. Guerilla warfare isn't going to matter when some bean counter in some office is shooting a missile at you from across the country.

They still need the intel. They'll probably just combine it with some machine learning shit and let the drones go nuts, I think I read a wacky Daniel Suarez book about that shit…

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Posted on 02-22-18 10:03:16 PM Link | Quote
The intel comes from the rampant NSA spying and the fact that most people willingly tell Facebook pretty much everything about their lives.

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Posted on 02-23-18 01:15:35 AM Link | Quote
Kinda late on the whole thing on the role mental illness has, but Cracked has an astute article on the subject.

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Posted on 03-02-18 10:40:51 PM (last edited by eifie at 03-02-18 10:41:50 PM) Link | Quote
soo there was a threat made to my little brothers school today and nobody took it seriously even though the emails from the ex-student were made earlier in the week. the threats were made in emails and instagram posts where he threatened to shoot up the place, and administration in the school did a bunch of hand waving and told kids the source wasnt credible and that the person was just looking for 15 minutes of fame. 2/3rds of the students went home early and the kid was reportedly arrested. this wont be in the news or anything since "nothing happened" but im terrified to know how poorly my brothers school faculty handled this. ive been talking to him about these issues since he got home.

edit: closest relevant article i could find https://www.indystar.com/story/news/education/2018/02/20/indiana-schools-see-rush-reported-gun-threats-after-florida-mass-shooting/350499002/
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Posted on 03-04-18 04:28:47 PM Link | Quote
Good god, the non-actions from school administrations is pretty infuriating. If the administrations actually started taking the threats seriously and put in something to counter the gun-free zone status that shooters take advantage of, there might be something done to at least reduce the number of shootings. Even just simply having a dedicated cop on campus helps mitigate it.

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Posted on 03-05-18 10:12:44 PM Link | Quote
A lot of places already have on-campus cops. I know my highschool did and that was over 15 years ago.

The problem isn't the gun free zone.


E: To give you an idea, the Vegas shooter was in a hotel full of very armed guards and it still took minutes for anything to be done.

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Posted on 03-07-18 07:41:30 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
A lot of places already have on-campus cops. I know my highschool did and that was over 15 years ago.

The problem isn't the gun free zone.


E: To give you an idea, the Vegas shooter was in a hotel full of very armed guards and it still took minutes for anything to be done.

yea this. they had cops on campus but they continued to play the entire situation off. in my opinion kids shouldnt have been in the building at /all/ with a threat like that.
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Posted on 03-08-18 06:06:54 PM Link | Quote
The problem with situations like that is it can often be even more dangerous to evacuate than it is to just remain in place.

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Posted on 03-08-18 08:15:01 PM (last edited by eifie at 03-08-18 08:22:31 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
The problem with situations like that is it can often be even more dangerous to evacuate than it is to just remain in place.

yea, honestly theres no good policy for something like that except to work to prevent tragedies like that ahead of time. when i was in school, lockdown policies were in place that told teachers and students to stay in their room and hide under desks, in corners, behind cabinets, etc. with increased shootings the US has a new lockdown policy called "alice" which tells teachers to take students and evacuate the building.

spoilered because this may be upsetting, actual gun violence/death warning:


edit: changed wording to clarify more what i meant and how i feel about this sry
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Posted on 03-10-18 04:09:01 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by eifie
Originally posted by Xkeeper
The problem with situations like that is it can often be even more dangerous to evacuate than it is to just remain in place.

yea, honestly theres no good policy for something like that except to work to prevent tragedies like that ahead of time. when i was in school, lockdown policies were in place that told teachers and students to stay in their room and hide under desks, in corners, behind cabinets, etc. with increased shootings the US has a new lockdown policy called "alice" which tells teachers to take students and evacuate the building.

spoilered because this may be upsetting, actual gun violence/death warning:


edit: changed wording to clarify more what i meant and how i feel about this sry

um actually what the heck? That's atrocious and shouldn't be allowed. Fear mongering mondo-film should be banned from schools. But if anyone tries im guessing the whole anti-censorship crowd would shoot that notion down. This issue truly must have a radical (in the non-political sense) solution in which the root of the problem, including this type of extreme exposure, should be resolved. School shooters aren't born, but are shaped by their conditions. Schools need love and encouragement, and should put the welfare of the students above all. Even beyond school shootings, a school which tries to help bullies or troubled students, rather than ignore or harshly punish them can heal deep wounds. Sorry for going a bit off base but I feel like it's all related to the topic.
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Posted on 03-10-18 03:03:03 PM Link | Quote
i completely agree about the encouragement issue, empathy is learned and america is facing an epidemic of selfishness at the root of all its major issues rn imo.

also sorry for not posting as much lately in general on this board, ive had a bit going on irl lately leaving me emotionally worn out as you can see.
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Posted on 03-10-18 07:54:26 PM (last edited by Gabu at 03-10-18 07:55:44 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Mirzaba
Sorry for going a bit off base but I feel like it's all related to the topic.


And it definitely is. I mean our formative years are within a school setting; for what it's worth it'd be great to have the proper funding for direct and indirect nurturing, like psychologists, counselors... art programs... etc., etc.

If nothing else, it'd be working on one factor, but also working on a bunch of other, at the most semi-related factors as well.

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Posted on 03-11-18 08:05:15 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by eifie
theres no good policy for something like that except to work to prevent tragedies like that ahead of time

i want to clarify with this real quick, i think a better wording would have been "theres no better policy except for to work to prevent tragedies like that." i do still think its important that students understand the risks and possibilities involved in evacuations and lockdowns, i just dont think they need to hear recording of innocent peoples deaths to get the message across. what im really struggling with here is the lack of anyone taking the threats issued seriously. like on a socially conscious level, dont we owe it to ourselves to investigate into this more? i dont see how thats at all acceptable. its only a matter of time before the next shooting.

our school systems are frankly a failure on all counts. it is true, lack of counseling, therapy, and truly understanding where these issues stem from systemically as well as guns being far too easy to obtain are whats causing this outbreak in the US. commonly children are treated like objects from the moment of their birth to the moment they turn 18, only to be swiftly kicked out on their asses told that the only way they are allowed to exist is if they bend to fit someone else's mold.

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line 385 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 411 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 421 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 428 column 901 - Warning: <div> anchor "xklayout" already defined
line 441 column 23 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 491 column 901 - Warning: <div> anchor "xklayout" already defined
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line 592 column 64 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 592 column 113 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 592 column 163 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 593 column 11 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 603 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 614 column 1033 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 633 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 646 column 1475 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 655 column 43 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 655 column 140 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 655 column 244 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 664 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 669 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 521 column 804 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 521 column 864 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 521 column 913 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 553 column 878 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 553 column 938 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 553 column 987 - Warning: trimming empty <label>
line 649 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 207 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 209 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 237 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 264 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 292 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 318 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 320 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 344 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 372 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 400 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 426 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 457 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 489 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 515 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 547 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 580 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 608 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 610 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 638 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 287 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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