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Posted on 01-26-18 04:29:47 AM Link | Quote
Y-m-d is the superior option simply because it sorts properly, whereas everything else is comically screwed up in one way or another. It also puts the most significant part first.

Other options are like saying one million is now written as 000,000,1

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Posted on 01-26-18 11:26:14 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Other options are like saying one million is now written as 000,000,1

Which I suppose is still better than writing it as 000,1,000...

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Posted on 01-26-18 03:33:36 PM (last edited by sofi at 01-26-18 08:41:41 PM) Link | Quote
imo the difference in order shows us how different languages/cultures encode date endianness, which is semantically distinct from number endianness.

like honestly Xk you’re thinking about comp sci when you talk about sorting, but the fact is 3.6 billion people use a little-endian date format whereas less than half of that use big-endian.

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Posted on 01-26-18 06:05:28 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Y-m-d is the superior option simply because it sorts properly, whereas everything else is comically screwed up in one way or another.

Yes. This so much.
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Posted on 01-26-18 08:32:24 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Y-m-d is the superior option simply because it sorts properly, whereas everything else is comically screwed up in one way or another. It also puts the most significant part first.

Well, that's why I use it for files at work… but I'm not sorting anything here

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Posted on 01-26-18 08:46:59 PM Link | Quote
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I've only really seen the YMD format in use for files spewn out by a certain backup utility, which yes it does make it very easy to lazily programmatically sort files by date as I experienced it

I'm not willing to train my brain to departure from the standard for anything else though.

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Posted on 01-26-18 10:38:53 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tarale
Well, that's why I use it for files at work… but I'm not sorting anything here

I use it when I post. Sort of.



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The most annoying thing is, when peaple separet the digits with /, but use d/m/y instead of m/d/y. As I'm accustomed to d.m.y. That's why I started appreciating dates after the 12th of the month. Then I'm mostly sure which date was meant.

Or if companies forget for international releases to correct the annotation. It is really annoying when stupid people ask again and again why the game wasn't out on 9/5 because it meant September 5th and not 9th May.

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Posted on 01-27-18 12:36:32 AM Link | Quote
for something like a date format, i think that endianness is ultimately kind of arbitrary. honestly, i even think number endianness is ultimately arbitrary... if there's some culture out there that ended up with 000,000,1 instead of the inverse that'd be, like, weird compared to what i'm used to but not necessarily wrong for any real reason, there's still a logic to it that could be intuitive to most people if that were just the standard, and it has all the same advantages of big-endian

i guess if i examine my motivations more closely (rather than just saying Y-m-d is "logically ordered"), yeah, i like Y-m-d because i name a lot of files with dates in them, and Y-m-d just naturally sorts chronologically if you sort a folder by name.

i think sorting by some kind of significance is probably a good idea because that's intuitive to most people and avoids ambiguity. but honestly, for home/personal use, i'm a big proponent of people using whatever they like and feels intuitive/natural to them.

also i didn't know Canada used Y-m-d! that's cool and i think that knowledge might be useful if i ever do wanna switch to using Y-m-d everywhere

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Posted on 01-27-18 10:02:16 AM Link | Quote

I could easily live with Y-m-d as well, I just hate month first.

As for sorting, I need to rename some files since they are in d-m-Y form currently. Don't know why I didn't pick up that earlier.

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Originally posted by sofi

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I don't know why this pic claims we use both DMY and YMD. We use DD. MM. YYYY almost exclusively.

Doesn't stop me from proliferating YYYY-MM-DD, the only logical choice, though. But even DMY is still better than the US's mixed endian (I'm sorry).

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Posted on 01-28-18 03:51:40 PM Link | Quote
I have it set to the default (MM/DD/YY)

I should change it to the ~superior European and Oceanian DD/MM/YY format~ but lazy

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Posted on 01-28-18 07:35:41 PM Link | Quote
Because of the confusion between day and month, I always try to spell out the month instead of just express it with numbers, and put all four digits for the year... though in the end yeah, I still do "Day, Month DD, YYYY" (ex: Sunday, January 28, 2018) because that's the format that's expected of people in schools over here. I remember being handed an 'official English grammar guide' when I was a kid...

Weirdly, it kinda varies with language? Like, when I used to write the date in French I went with "DD Month YYYY" instead (ie., "28 Janvier 2018")...

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Originally posted by Delpolo
Weirdly, it kinda varies with language? Like, when I used to write the date in French I went with "DD Month YYYY" instead (ie., "28 Janvier 2018")...

It does. In Portuguese: 28 de Janeiro de 2018.

Which would literally mean "28 of January of 2018", but it becomes "January 28th, 2018". I guess one could use "28th of January of 2018" or "28 of January, 2018" as well? But weirdly, it still sounds awkward in English. I guess there isn't an easy solution to this.

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Originally posted by Delpolo
Weirdly, it kinda varies with language? Like, when I used to write the date in French I went with "DD Month YYYY" instead (ie., "28 Janvier 2018")...

yeah that was the point i was trying to make several posts upthread before it got buried in a sea of "nothing other than yyyy-mm-dd is logical" posts

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Re: language differences, here it's "29 Januari 2018". Rather usual for this thread.

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Nothing but American time standard trash over here.

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line 459 column 145 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 459 column 145 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 555 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 562 column 302 - Warning: <table> attribute "height" has invalid value "300px"
line 564 column 1214 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
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line 670 column 15 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 677 column 460 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 677 column 460 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 677 column 588 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 686 column 44 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 686 column 142 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 686 column 246 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 695 column 25 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 700 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 385 column 503 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 385 column 771 - Warning: trimming empty <font>
line 385 column 768 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 387 column 2294 - Warning: trimming empty <p>
line 680 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 205 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 232 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 266 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 293 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 320 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 350 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 379 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 381 column 111 - Warning: <div> proprietary attribute "height"
line 385 column 707 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 385 column 856 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 385 column 927 - Warning: <font> proprietary attribute "align"
line 387 column 1454 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 387 column 1454 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 387 column 1580 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 387 column 1752 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 387 column 1824 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 387 column 2006 - Warning: <tr> proprietary attribute "height"
line 413 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 445 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 476 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 528 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 560 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 562 column 302 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 562 column 302 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "background"
line 562 column 421 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
line 588 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 617 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 646 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 675 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 677 column 74 - Warning: <table> proprietary attribute "height"
Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 328 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
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