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Posted on 10-15-20 03:07:45 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Rambly
i'm super skeptical of the idea of federation anyway, i think it's an idea that sounds good and travels well but leads to its own weird problems and doesn't solve the core, core problems of social media.


The federation aspect is what sold me on Mastodon in the first place, but I've come to realize it's actually quite a bad idea. It sounds good, sure, be able to talk to people no matter what website they're using, but aside from very small instances with few users, your local timeline, or personal timeline are much better sources anyway. Once you hit a critical mass of people you're following, you only start to follow those who are already friends/followers of people you follow. At that point, we're kind of just mimicking the old forum model of friends inviting each other to private forums, just without the added friction of having to sign up. And that's a good thing, but...

There's just too much on the fediverse. Eventually you get to a point where you're only really paying attention to your pings. Yeah, a person will scroll the timeline for a few minutes, but you may miss a connection just because you weren't around at the time a great post was made, and it wasn't followed up on. That post quickly gets drowned out because the whole point of a platform like Mastodon is to just shout into the void.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is forums are better for good faith discussion, and if you want to die on that hill I will gladly follow you into that flamewar.

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Posted on 10-15-20 05:11:45 PM Link | Quote
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I'm on Mastodon as myself @halian@icosahedron.website and as a Pokémon RP character @psychicembrace@donphan.social.

I'd like to be able to set up a Mastodon instance that cannot federate, for RP purposes.

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Posted on 10-15-20 05:15:03 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Halian
I'd like to be able to set up a Mastodon instance that cannot federate, for RP purposes.

in that case you're better off setting up a forum

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Posted on 10-15-20 05:19:23 PM Link | Quote
maple post-o-matic 9.3
Originally posted by DarkWitchClaire
Originally posted by Halian
I'd like to be able to set up a Mastodon instance that cannot federate, for RP purposes.

in that case you're better off setting up a forum

I want(ed) a Twitter-alike specifically.

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Posted on 10-15-20 05:23:18 PM Link | Quote

Originally posted by Halian
I want(ed) a Twitter-alike specifically.

you might be able to set it up to reject all federation, but i'm not sure how easy that is to do

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Posted on 10-15-20 05:56:25 PM Link | Quote
maple post-o-matic 9.3
Originally posted by DarkWitchClaire
Originally posted by Halian
I want(ed) a Twitter-alike specifically.

you might be able to set it up to reject all federation, but i'm not sure how easy that is to do

When I tried it with Mastodon, I was told multiple times that it's explicitly impossible. :/

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Posted on 10-15-20 06:07:00 PM Link | Quote

some instances have switched to a whitelist for who they can interact with, so maybe something like that would work?

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Posted on 10-15-20 06:25:52 PM Link | Quote
maple post-o-matic 9.3
Originally posted by DarkWitchClaire
some instances have switched to a whitelist for who they can interact with, so maybe something like that would work?

I'll have to look into that. Might you have any examples?

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Posted on 10-15-20 06:31:41 PM Link | Quote

you can find out how to enable it here, assuming you already know how to host and configure. otherwise i can't think of any instances off the top of my head that do so since i don't like keeping up with what's going on

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Posted on 10-16-20 01:12:26 AM Link | Quote
Mastodon is cool and more people should use it. Unfortunately, it seems pretty hard to find a good instance. There's an overwhelming amount of options, imo, which is good but there's not a great onboarding process for that.

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Posted on 10-16-20 01:14:41 AM Link | Quote

that seems to be a consistent problem that was around even before the other ones. i've seen some directories, but even the recommended one wasn't up to date

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Posted on 10-16-20 01:43:54 PM Link | Quote
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I think it's just outright impossible to keep a directory up to date anymore :/

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Posted on 10-16-20 01:47:25 PM Link | Quote

probably, but the one i knew listed instances that shut down months ago or were shunned by the community

i just feel like there could be a bit better of an effort if they want to promote this platform

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Posted on 10-16-20 01:50:23 PM Link | Quote
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People are stupid. Pass it on.

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Posted on 10-16-20 02:50:14 PM Link | Quote
The answer is probably to just look at threads like this and find one that has an interesting name and some friends you already know.

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Posted on 10-20-20 05:28:57 PM Link | Quote

Pterodactyl!




Sorry, what were we talking about again?

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Posted on 10-22-20 03:47:31 AM Link | Quote
Mastodon sux because nobody likes or interacts with my posts despite me being rly cool and fun.

Hmph.
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Posted on 10-23-20 01:38:26 AM Link | Quote
despite all the content warnings, mastodon still stresses me out as much as twitter does.
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Originally posted by Xkeeper
Mastodon is a decentralized social media network thing that's basically Twitter Minus Nazis.

this didn't age well

any of y'all still trying to use mastodon? it's been several years since people first started experimenting with it, and nowadays i just think of mastodon profiles as being small huts on remote islands in a sea of racist pirates

and as time goes on, more and more of those islands are underwater

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Posted on 02-20-22 09:02:13 PM Link | Quote
I joined the Liberdon instance when I still had faith in the mainatream libertarian movement, and I can tell you it's been like that for years. Looking at the federated timeline, I rarely ever saw normal posts, it was always either porn or people with vocal political opinions, with one or two developers in there as seasoning.
I realize that it's weird for me to have joined a libertarian instance when I didn't want to see politics, but I left it dormant for a few years and afterwards just wanted to try out the idea of the fediverse, and didn't know of any other instances that weren't either hyperspecific or more geared to people less uptight than I am (and especially back then, was) so I just kept using that account and blocking all the outright anti-vax Republicans who think they're libertarian because they oppose a single government policy.
It ended up ending with me sending out a toot, a "friend"(?) sharing it, and all of his followers dogpiling onto me. I deleted that account not really because I thought they would harm me, but because they were the kind of people to have enough free time to dox me.
This was like 2020.
The idea of non-centralized social media is appealing directly to nazis because it means they can't be banned. Of course this was going to happen, it always would. I'd say that the only way to avoid it would be plastering hammers and sickles everywhere, but that didn't stop nazis trying to invade the first time.

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line 865 column 140 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
line 865 column 244 - Warning: <img> proprietary attribute value "absmiddle"
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line 879 column 267 - Warning: <img> lacks "alt" attribute
line 859 column 17 - Warning: trimming empty <tr>
line 125 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 141 column 68 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 177 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
line 211 column 27 - Warning: <nobr> is not approved by W3C
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Info: Document content looks like HTML5
Info: No system identifier in emitted doctype
Tidy found 324 warnings and 0 errors!


The alt attribute should be used to give a short description
of an image; longer descriptions should be given with the
longdesc attribute which takes a URL linked to the description.
These measures are needed for people using non-graphical browsers.

For further advice on how to make your pages accessible
see http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL.
You are recommended to use CSS to specify the font and
properties such as its size and color. This will reduce
the size of HTML files and make them easier to maintain
compared with using <FONT> elements.

You are recommended to use CSS to control line wrapping.
Use "white-space: nowrap" to inhibit wrapping in place
of inserting <NOBR>...</NOBR> into the markup.

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Bug reports and comments: https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/issues
Official mailing list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
Latest HTML specification: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/
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English? Consider helping us to localize HTML Tidy. For details please see
https://github.com/htacg/tidy-html5/blob/master/README/LOCALIZE.md