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Posted on 05-26-17 05:23:48 AM Link | Quote
It's been a long, long time since I posted any artwork here.

I've been really focused on trying to figure out how faces work in recent months/years. It's… a thing, trying to figure out how to have cartoony elements and realistic elements all together. It seems to work some times and not other times. You know, that ongoing thing with what you want to create, and how it actually turns out.

I seem to be generally better at getting a likeness though. A lot of it seems to come down to trying to get proportions right, and then shapes. You may be able to figure out who some of the drawings below are supposed to be, or who I referenced.









Sometimes I do away with the attempt at semi-realism entirely, but I've been pushing myself to try other things like full illustrations, with perspective and stuff. At least... sometimes anyway.



I dunno when I'll get to draw again with my life changing the way it is, but I had a big creative burst before I got so tired, and yeah. Here's some of it. There's more at tarale.net.
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Posted on 05-26-17 09:50:22 AM Link | Quote
I looked through some of your stuff on your blog. You make good drawings, and you have good taste in things to draw.

Merging realistic and stylized elements is definitely tricky, but I think you do it well!
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Posted on 05-26-17 09:29:29 PM Link | Quote
Thanks! And thanks for saying I merge the stylised elements with realistic ones well. It's nice to hear that, because I find the tension between those two things difficult, but I keep trying.

I used to simplify things a lot… I'd put tons of details into the eyes, and simplified anime features for everything else. I had the pointy chins and the < or > noses, and tiny mouths. But then I wanted to draw cute lips… and then I wanted noses with more shape. And those improvements highlighted that I needed to learn the underlying skull shape and structure. And then finally I wanted to see if I could draw people that look like the actual person I was trying to draw (only cartoony). And it just kept becoming this whole thing! Faces are crazy hard!

I'm not sure if this is entirely where I want my style to be or not yet, but I'm pretty happy with how these turned out! There's not too much uncanny valley going on (but oh boy when I get it wrong).

I think some of the next challenge will also be taking what I've learned and finding ways to stylise them, because sometimes I want to draw cartoon cartoons!
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Posted on 05-26-17 11:08:55 PM Link | Quote
These are pretty impressive, doing what you have done is no easy feat, I dare not attempt it myself

I'd love to see more of these in the future!
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Posted on 05-27-17 09:53:48 PM (last edited by Tarale at 05-27-17 09:55:24 PM) Link | Quote
Thanks! And yeah, it takes a lot of time to get to where I am with drawing. You could give it a go, but it'd be surprising if it works out straight away. I've been drawing semi-seriously for 20 years now, so it didn't just happen overnight!

Here's one of the first things I ever posted online, in the late 1990s (actual date lost to time… my filesystem decided to datestamp all my old art 2003 but I know it's older than that):



As for more in the future, I hope so! But probably not in the immediate future: we're very close to having a new member of our family so I'll have trouble finding the time to draw for a while. Unless I manage before he arrives (but I'm getting so tired so we'll see).
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Posted on 05-29-17 03:55:32 AM Link | Quote
I'm partial to getting manga/anime down...
I don't draw near as much as I used to, but no one takes me very seriously when I say why, so I'll leave it at that. I also take issue with guidelines, because they're only useful when I don't screw them up (generally never happens...) Shading and perspective would be my primary issues trying to do something particularly realistic.

lol...gotta love when that happens!
I still keep my old works, but none of them are on the computer yet.
I keep telling myself I'll submit them to DA... hasn't happened yet.
Cute!

I have two nieces. Am absolutely terrified of raising any kids of my own. I'm concerned I might not turn-out to be a great father. Not really sure that I'm a good uncle... Besides that, I'm afraid what kind of world they'll be born into. In any case, so far never gotten anywhere major with a girl, so... probably won't be happening any time soon. Well, congrats!
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Posted on 06-05-17 01:56:27 AM Link | Quote
I think you could get anime/manga down.

Honestly, the biggest piece of advice I could give is to reference real life. No matter what style you want to draw in, you'll have a much easier time if you look at real people or photographs. Now, this doesn't mean you have to draw realistically at all. You can stylise things any way you like. It just means that, if you wanted to draw an anime character holding a sword, you'd go looking for photos of someone doing that first.

You don't need to reference the entire picture either. You can often build your drawings by making a kind of "collage" out of things you've drawn from reference.

For example, I used references to draw the Undertale picture. I looked at the game itself for Sans and the room the characters are in, but the trickiest part was drawing the hand holding the knife (Apologies, these progress images are just photos I took at the time).

I started out with how I thought the hand and knife should look:



I was going for something a bit dramatic and maybe with some motion, but I realised that it looked too twisted (try holding your hand like that and see how it feels), so I went looking for some references and drew another hand and knife:



But something wasn't right about that either. I used a reference, but it didn't really fit right. Sure, this is a way someone could hold a knife, but it wasn't the right reference for the scene. The perspective and angle didn't seem to fit right.

I could have Googled some more, but I wanted the perspective and angle right, so I got my husband to stand in the kitchen with one of our knives.



Bingo.

Then the rest was just sorting out the details, and working out the shading and colours (if you're having trouble with this, try working with greys first, then adding colour later). You can also see several ways I fucked up, and then corrected, the perspective as well.



And don't be afraid to re-draw things that aren't working! As you can see, I re-drew nearly everything at some point or another.

Oh, oh, and some other tips for getting things right. These will help your mistakes "pop" out at you a bit more so you can correct them:

  • look at a mirror-image of your drawing. If you're drawing on paper, look at your art in a mirror. If it's a digital piece, flip your canvas.

  • step back from your drawing. Like... literally, hold it out straight and take a step or two backwards/hold it out at arm's length. Or if it's digital, zoom out.


Both of these will usually make some things that look "off" suddenly kind of jump out at you. But yeah, most importantly, look at references!
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Posted on 06-05-17 02:29:20 AM Link | Quote
Not wanting to go into such extensive details with a reply, I'll leave it mostly at "Makes sense"

I've certainly used the zooming thing when doing pixel art, and digital art, in general.

As for references: I have...many. At the very least, they become inspiration further down the road.

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Posted on 06-05-17 02:59:00 AM (last edited by Tarale at 06-05-17 03:07:15 AM) Link | Quote
Ahh, good good. Yeah… when it comes to explaining drawing stuff I can get a little… detailed. It's easier to try to show what I did, rather than tell too. I'm glad it makes sense!

Good to hear you have lots of reference stuff too. If you're after more, at least for people, these guys have some pretty useful books (NSFW) for references, and this is a lovely figure drawing practice tool as well (partially NSFW). OH, and I haven't had a chance to use this yet but Anatomy 360 (can be NSFW) looks very promising, with its 3D scans.
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Posted on 06-05-17 05:16:41 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tarale
Ahh, good good. Yeah… when it comes to explaining drawing stuff I can get a little… detailed. It's easier to try to show what I did, rather than tell too. I'm glad it makes sense!

Good to hear you have lots of reference stuff too. If you're after more, at least for people, these guys have some pretty useful books (NSFW) for references, and this is a lovely figure drawing practice tool as well (partially NSFW). OH, and I haven't had a chance to use this yet but Anatomy 360 (can be NSFW) looks very promising, with its 3D scans.


take a look at some of my other posts, it's deeply ingrained within my head to explain the hell out of anything /: (besides to be triggered amazingly easy...)

"lots" would be an understatement
lol...
I am really not remotely bothered by NSFW stuff...lol
I AM bothered by most of the 'art nudes' and similar that get Daily Deviation status on Deviantart, however. I don't feel most of them really deserve it, save a few that actually have artistic qualities.

Some NSFW resources actually would be useful. I see no point in hiding at some point in the future I'd like to make such content, myself. (Assuming ofc, society's stigma and desire to over-regulate everything doesn't stop me.)
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Posted on 06-05-17 07:23:42 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by ihadtnowegtum
Some NSFW resources actually would be useful. I see no point in hiding at some point in the future I'd like to make such content, myself. (Assuming ofc, society's stigma and desire to over-regulate everything doesn't stop me.)



Those art books and other references are AMAZINGLY useful. I couldn't get to a class/group with a live model easily, but I could dive right in at home. Just drawing the people in the books regularly sparked one of the biggest periods of improvement I've ever had. I seriously cannot recommend the art books enough, they are extremely high quality, and there are full digital turn-arounds of most the poses available too.

As for BEING an art model, most towns/cities have art schools and groups that are always looking for models. I hope you're very good at staying still for a long time! You'll need to, even if you're photographing the poses (you'll want photos from different angles!)

Oh and deviantART has always been full of people taking their clothes off and calling it art.
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Posted on 06-05-17 09:31:07 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tarale
As for BEING an art model, most towns/cities have art schools and groups that are always looking for models. I hope you're very good at staying still for a long time! You'll need to, even if you're photographing the poses (you'll want photos from different angles!)

Oh and deviantART has always been full of people taking their clothes off and calling it art.


Oh what?!! NO WAY... I meant drawing/animating such stuff.

and... noted
I've also heard reports some of their staff are corrupt/stupid.
At least one artist I follow actually has had problems with them

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Ohhhhhhhhh haha, I thought you meant producing reference material! Mostly because I didn't understand what you meant about taboo.

There is NOTHING wrong with drawing nudes. Art schools expect you to draw nudes. If you look in any artist's portfolio there are nude figure drawings. Those people who think it's taboo are silly. There is no better way to learn to draw the figure than to draw a whole crapload of nudes, preferably from a live model, but if that's not possible, then from photographic reference. I'd even say it's essential to draw a bunch of nudes.

Sexualised nudes are another issue, but ehhhh, to be honest… if drawing smut or outright porn helps you improve your art, then idgaf.

As for deviantART… yes, well, there's a reason I don't tend to post on there much, if at all, any more. It is a silly place.
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Posted on 06-06-17 03:19:42 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tarale
Ohhhhhhhhh haha, I thought you meant producing reference material! Mostly because I didn't understand what you meant about taboo.

There is NOTHING wrong with drawing nudes. Art schools expect you to draw nudes. If you look in any artist's portfolio there are nude figure drawings. Those people who think it's taboo are silly. There is no better way to learn to draw the figure than to draw a whole crapload of nudes, preferably from a live model, but if that's not possible, then from photographic reference. I'd even say it's essential to draw a bunch of nudes.

Sexualised nudes are another issue, but ehhhh, to be honest… if drawing smut or outright porn helps you improve your art, then idgaf.

As for deviantART… yes, well, there's a reason I don't tend to post on there much, if at all, any more. It is a silly place.


eh, i could produce refs... once i'm good enough for that. bu not of myself... lol

Indeed there is not. I won't argue, there, it is a great way to understand anatomy.

Overall, sexualized art doesn't bug me, anyways. But when a photo, typically with no discernible effort in staging or concept manages to land such honor as DD, that annoys the hell out of me. I follow some artists that produce a lot of NSFW, but they put effort into it, and the end of the day, it's not simply "another piece of porn". I'd much rather see their work in DDs than some art nude that's also advertising materials DA actually forbids, and generally only going for the money or fame.

In general, I've come to wonder if maybe these things being taboo overall is causing far more harm than it is good. Not simply because it hinders artists, either. (although generally speaking, hindering artists, alone, is reason enough to consider something as destructive)

Yeah... but there's a few reasons I can't really leave. Part of it being friends whom I currently ONLY can contact this way. sucks... >.>

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Posted on 06-13-17 04:01:51 AM (last edited by Tarale at 06-13-17 11:47:49 PM) Link | Quote
Well, this is probably my last thing for a while, with 7 days until my due date… and we all know babies are not good at schedules. Although I won't rule out any stress-drawing while I wait, I am also getting very very tired, and again, we have no idea when the baby will actually arrive. MAYBE RIGHT NOW ok i don't think right now

Drawn initially in an iOS app called iOrnament. Made two versions, started with Kanaya, turned her into Rose, then combined, colour-corrected, and made-pretty-look-nice in Photoshop.

Oh, and yes, I am Homestuck trash.



Should tile seamlessly.


 
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Posted on 06-13-17 09:46:05 AM Link | Quote
It's good to see your art again after largely not seeing it for 10 years

That piece looks pretty good, but when I look at the tiled version from a distance it sort of swims, kind of like those optical illusions you read about.



BMF has an old piece of yours somewhere on his various computers that was a black and white ink full of various internet memes from 2007-9ish? I need to nag him for that some time, it was pretty impressive
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Posted on 06-13-17 11:57:11 PM (last edited by Tarale at 06-14-17 12:25:29 AM) Link | Quote
Yeah, it's been a while. Well, since I've really posted here. Unsure how regularly I'll be able to continue posting though, with my life changing like it is.

Yeah, some of the patterns "swim" a bit, especially when zoomed out/repeated a lot. I seem to like that particular symmetry setting the best but it's particularly swimmy when you tile it/zoom out.

Couldn't sleep last night, so made another pattern in iOrnament, this time using a different symmetry. If anyone is interested in it, GET THE PRO VERSION, IT MAKES THINGS SO MUCH EASIER.




Again, should tile seamlessly.


 


I think I can sell this one on Redbubble or something. I might go do that. Aaaand… done… buy it and I'll buy baby stuff with the money!

As for that picture, XKeeper, you mean this, from when my internet was down for three weeks in 2008? It's… uh… it's definitely a thing…

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Posted on 06-14-17 04:47:56 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tarale
Yeah, it's been a while. Well, since I've really posted here. Unsure how regularly I'll be able to continue posting though, with my life changing like it is.


That is how it has been for everyone (see how active it is compared to years and years ago), so don't worry about it. Real life takes priority, but it's always nice to see people around.



As for that picture, XKeeper


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Posted on 06-14-17 09:14:43 AM Link | Quote
That memes picture..

Ah yes, the wonders of internet history..

I think that's kinda cool despite the memes.

But, collages that define history can be pretty neat.
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Posted on 06-15-17 01:58:05 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Xkeeper


Ha, sorry, I swear I checked before I posted, but I am not entirely "with it" lately, especially yesterday. Sleeping is not working and neither is brain. That emoticon also works really well for the meme picture. It's godawful!


Originally posted by dotUser
That memes picture..

Ah yes, the wonders of internet history..

I think that's kinda cool despite the memes.

But, collages that define history can be pretty neat.

Yeah, it's… a thing… I made… a long time ago…
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