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Posted on 09-16-16 12:00:42 PM Link | Quote
It's Going Down is a nice summary of the fun things happening in USA currently.


The first part I found about is the prisoner strikes that started the 9th. Prisoners protest against prisoner slavery which is exploited by companies like AT&T, Starbuck's, McDonald's, UPS, Nike, or even Nintendo.

The 13th amendment prohibits slavery... except for prisoners. For the capitalist system, it's a perfect opportunity to get nearly-free or free labor.


There are also protests against the construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline, with protesters locking themselves to the construction machines and such. It's related here among other places, and it's said that Facebook censored the livestream of the event.

The DAPL would threaten water quality and more generally the ecosystem.


And other fun things. Basically, several protests (anti-slavery, anti-racism, ecology, etc) converge towards the same enemy: the capitalist system.


It may look like marginals causing trouble for attention, because a lot of those moves are anarchist, and they seem to get little attention from mainstream media. But there's potential for change. I'm not for outright anarchy, but the protests there are definitely legitimate.

It's going to be a fun ride.
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Posted on 09-16-16 04:48:31 PM (last edited by skyu at 09-17-16 06:24:21 PM) Link | Quote
the U.S.A is pretty much.. yeah, doomed

i'm probably going to move to a "quieter" area in europe when I'm able too. America isn't what it was in the 80's. (which really, there haven't been many "good" america era's at all; maybe the 20's, but then the economy crashed, and the 50's people say was happy, but the korean war was still raging)
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Posted on 09-16-16 07:57:06 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by skyu
the 50's people say was happy, but the korean war was still raging

Well the Korean War never really ended to this day. What history books call the end of the Korean War was just the transition to a really shitty ceasefire agreement. Of which, NK has threatened more than a few times to ignore. And in recent news, NK is claiming to be experimenting with nuclear weapons.
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Posted on 09-21-16 07:14:17 AM Link | Quote
Riots in Charlotte after police shoot a black man holding a book


It's turning violent.
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Posted on 09-25-16 01:03:40 AM (last edited by Gabu at 09-25-16 06:54:14 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cuber456
Originally posted by skyu
the 50's people say was happy, but the korean war was still raging

Well the Korean War never really ended to this day. What history books call the end of the Korean War was just the transition to a really shitty ceasefire agreement. Of which, NK has threatened more than a few times to ignore. And in recent news, NK is claiming to be experimenting with nuclear weapons.


Speaking of, the 80's weren't really all too great pf a time either, because the threat of nuclear war was way too real in that entire decade.

Really hate to think what'll happen in that arena if Trump somehow does glitches his way to becoming president.

Edit: Speaking of, anyone else getting real tired of the Hillary bullshit being thrown around? Because yeah okay she's not the perfect human or my first choice in who I want as President, but I can trust her to not blow up the world and generally put in a good effort to make the world a better place. Whether or not that happens if she's elected is up to conjecture (see also: Obama). Trump I can see utterly fucking the world with nukes, one way or another, within six months.
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Posted on 09-26-16 06:30:58 PM (last edited by skyu at 09-26-16 08:32:39 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gabu
anyone else getting real tired of the Hillary bullshit being thrown around? Because yeah okay she's not the perfect human or my first choice in who I want as President, but I can trust her to not blow up the world and generally put in a good effort to make the world a better place. Whether or not that happens if she's elected is up to conjecture (see also: Obama). Trump I can see utterly fucking the world with nukes, one way or another, within six months.

I feel people overexaggerate the threat of both Clinton and Trump. Either way, we don't really have a choice (either way, I want trump to win - our economy has at least some sort of a chance.)

here's why Trump isn't a threat;

- he can't block muslims from entering. hell no Congress would ever allow that.

- he can't nuke the world. We have laws that restrict him; this isn't Saudi Arabia

- the wall is something people shouldn't be going insane about. oh and he can't make Mexico pay for it (that's another thing he cant do) either so yeah. at least that trump's making some sort of effort. See what Homeland security done recently; thousands of people scheduled for deportation were granted "accidental" citizenship. How the hell this happened, I don't know. I feel Trump could maybe do shit about it. maybe. who knows.

oh, and some things about other canidates.

Gary Johnson - doesn't know what Aleppo is

Hilliary Clinton - dear, she is almost as bad as Trump, calling his potential voters "deplorables". what the hell, she still gets away with it and nobody blinks an eye~

Jill Stein - criminal charges for defacing equipment; good cause but still, you can't do that running for president. also has no political background at all; was a doctor. has no chance of winning as well.

Clinton I don't trust as well. I've already seen enough to know she's in it for the money, for the most part.

I have a right sided view, but I'm generally a bit left sided socially. I just know Clinton has more of a chance of fucking up the U.S even more.
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Posted on 09-26-16 06:44:03 PM Link | Quote
You really think a president can't go apeshit and do whatever he wants?

See all those governments that are initially democracies but end up so locked-in and warped that they're basically dictatorships. A prime example would be USSR back in its days.
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Posted on 09-26-16 07:21:00 PM (last edited by skyu at 09-26-16 07:21:10 PM) Link | Quote
Originally posted by StapleButter
democracies

Originally posted by StapleButter
USSR

wat.

still, knowing how the U.S mostly supports Clinton at the moment.. the country could easily fall apart if trump did whatever.

believe it or not, i trust trump to not knock over the world. I don't really like him but eh. I just hate Clinton and how she gets off squeaky clean.
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Posted on 09-26-16 07:24:40 PM Link | Quote
USSR's government was meant to be a democracy. Dictatorship was achieved by having a unique party (the communist party) and giving that party's chief more power than the actual president had. (Stalin was the party chief, not the president)


also, why the hell are your posts centered?
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Posted on 09-26-16 08:32:27 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by StapleButter
also, why the hell are your posts centered?

removed it
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Posted on 09-27-16 01:28:35 AM Link | Quote
>Wants Trump to win

Nukes though. Even Reagan was all "maybe we really shouldn't" after a certain point. Trump would basically use them as playthings, and even if he somehow miraculously didn't, his isolationist "you're on your own" attitude towards other countries and NATO would basically allow Russia to essentially escalate stuff if/when other countries break off from the EU and thereby trigger nuclear war that way, because we'd be letting Putin do whatever the hell he wants. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I've been having mad anxiety attacks and depressive spells the past week-and-a-half over this definite possibility.

Other than that though, why let in someone who clearly has some kind of unchecked antisocial/narcissistic personality disorder? I mean I'm all for mental health awareness and having these brave souls take public office, but if he's clearly showing that he won't make any strides in improving himself there and maybe find some honest-to-God humbleness, then he has no business being in the White House.

Insert racism/sexism/LGBT-based phobia/ableism here. There's just too many glaring examples to showcase. I fall under three of those categories too! Guess how I feel about a presidential prospect calling me multiple slurs based on my birth gender/gender identity/disability status! Guess how so many other people feel about that!

>Clinton gets off squeaky clean

Wait, what? All I've been hearing from that camp is emails/Benghazi/liar. Meanwhile you seem to be forgiving Trump over everything he's ever said/done. Which generally involves racism/lawsuits/sexism/more lawsuits/compulsive lying/saying whatever crazy crap that comes into his mind and still gaining support/isolationist "fuck you" attitude/general attitude problems/very unstable disposition that would make him the most terrible president imaginable.

>Clinton in it for the $

I think you got it flipped around there.

And I clearly get the fact that Hillary isn't a perfect angel. She's made mistakes. Hell, I supported Bernie earlier in the year, but of these two remaining candidates, it's clear to me who is flawed but honest in wanting to serve the public the best they can, and who is terrible and a downright sociopath.

(Also how in the hell would our economy be better under Trump? List sources, please. Simply dying to know.)
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Posted on 09-27-16 05:04:50 PM (last edited by divingkataetheweirdo at 09-27-16 06:19:42 PM) Link | Quote
Here's one source I found: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/15/why-trump-has-a-better-economic-plan-than-clinton-wilbur-ross-commentary.html

Here's what the BBC is making out of this: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37013670

And straight from Trump's presidential site: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/economic-vision
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Posted on 09-27-16 05:07:55 PM Link | Quote
At the end of the day, I fucking hate politics. All it does it tear people apart. You know that stuff will only get more vicious and bitter as we get closer to November.

But hey, at least this isn't North Korea.

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Posted on 09-27-16 05:28:08 PM Link | Quote
No political party, no president, no government will take the aggressive actions we need, for example, if we want to curb global warming before things get real bad.

It's an example among others.

Here in France, people I have observed during elections don't vote for the best party, but rather, they vote against the worst one. It's what democracy has turned into, you know that none of the candidates will address global issues or make things truly better, you just want to keep the really bad ones away from power.

Pretty sure things are similar in USA.


Good examples of noticeable positive actions in France that have been botched or can be considered failed:

* Suppressing public transport zones in Ile-de-France (Paris and surroundings) (public transport routes are split into 5 zones centered around Paris, cross-zone commutes are more expensive than staying within a zone). Zones would have been completely suppressed. What actually happened is that the prices were changed to lower the differences somewhat, but the zones still exist.

* Fixing gas prices: diesel is less expensive than gasoline in France (reason is that the French car vendors are unable to make efficient gasoline engines). They wanted to make diesel more expensive as it should be, or atleast, the same price as gasoline. Surprise, nothing happened, and the government is still indirectly encouraging pollution.

* Banning diesel cars from Paris: considering what is mentioned above, this is just impossible. Conveniently, it is planned for 2020, likely in the hope that people stay reassured that the government is acting and eventually forget about it before the due date. It's also past the duration of the current government -- elections will take place in 2017.
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Posted on 09-27-16 09:55:21 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by skyu
- he can't nuke the world. We have laws that restrict him; this isn't Saudi Arabia

My understanding is this is basically wrong; it makes sense, the President has to be able to use nukes at a moment's notice if they're responding to an attack-- so the whole setup is basically "trust the President's sanity".

Yeah this is why nuclear weapons are bad
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Posted on 09-27-16 11:02:23 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Nicole
Yeah this is why nuclear weapons are bad

Doesn't matter what they are at this point. That train came and went back in WWII.
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Posted on 09-28-16 09:37:15 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Cuber456
Originally posted by Nicole
Yeah this is why nuclear weapons are bad

Doesn't matter what they are at this point. That train came and went back in WWII.

I knew someone would think they had to reply to this and tell poor naive Nicole about geopolitics *rolls eyes* I know the history of why we have them and why we're likely to keep having them, thank you very much.
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Posted on 09-28-16 09:44:19 AM Link | Quote
besides,
Originally posted by skyu
- he can't nuke the world. We have laws that restrict him; this isn't Saudi Arabia

is like saying "that guy holding a gun can't shoot me because it's illegal".
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Posted on 09-28-16 04:56:54 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Nicole
Originally posted by Cuber456
Originally posted by Nicole
Yeah this is why nuclear weapons are bad

Doesn't matter what they are at this point. That train came and went back in WWII.

I knew someone would think they had to reply to this and tell poor naive Nicole about geopolitics *rolls eyes* I know the history of why we have them and why we're likely to keep having them, thank you very much.


You took that post the wrong way. I didn't say you were stupid, naive or whatever. Like a game of poker, we have been dealt a set of cards and now we have to play them. That was the point I was trying to make.
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Posted on 09-29-16 12:24:11 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Gabu
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I've been having mad anxiety attacks and depressive spells the past week-and-a-half over this definite possibility.

No, it's legit to be concerned about this kind of shit. I figure our parents who lived during the Cold War had the same kind of pressure.

I'm concerned about similar things, like global warming. I hate reading shit like "change to X is permanent at this point", it's like saying "fuck this, we screwed up the planet so no point attempting anything".

I believe we should get together and turn our concerns into motivation to change the world for the best. The capitalist system is behind a lot of the trouble we're going through. Including ecological disaster.

If we don't take immediate and massive action, things will only get worse. Governments make up propaganda like the COP21 to make us believe they're taking care of the environmental issues, but there's nothing behind it. The industrial system will keep going for the sake of profit until the resources are depleted, or until it's stopped.

Ok, it's not as dire as that, clean energies and such are being developed. But in the meantime, things like the oil industry, or consumerism, keep going strong.
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